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Re: sundance weekender 20

alpsail, our layout sounds the same...and welcome to the obscure elmar boat club. As far as I can tell, these are reasonably well fabricated craft (just a few thoughtless bits and corners cut), and ours is a lot of fun with 2-3 on board. a bit tight for sleeping, and the centerboard hub is a bit weak, but you're making tracks so long as it's not dead calm!
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Re: sundance weekender 20

brendajojo, price will probably vary widely by season and local sailing interest. I dunno how things will go this time of year unless there is a decent club scene or large lake, nearby. I feel like our 20' feels worth $3k+ to a savvy buyer...but half that to a craigslist troller.
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Re: sundance weekender 20

It has been a long time since I was on this forum. My new e-mail is roger.conrad@mts.net

I have received some requests and information regarding the sun dance 20, and have been gathering some info. As well I am the contact sor this boat through Good Old Boat magazine. I have commenced a data base for the 20, both long and short cabin versions in an attempt to find as many boats as possible of this model that are out there. I am recording hull number, HIN model (short/long), year built, and last known owner location and color. So far I have partial info on hulls 2, 5, 3851, and 54.

Share your info and I will share my data base.
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Re: sundance weekender 20

Hey Roger:

Good for you. Better luck than I had.

Please let me know if you come across any information on the Sundance 23. I tried, and tried, tried, tried again. Almost got the specs from a fellow Sundance 23 owner in Michigan, who never got back to me.

Very rare boats indeed.

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Re: sundance weekender 20

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I am the original owner of a Sundance 23. She is 35 years old this year.
She was built with a yellow hull, I think the only one,and a fin keel. Some were
built with a shoal draft keel, some with Baldwin Sail Drives and I believe one with
An Atomic two cylinder gas engine. Len Ferry was the owner of ElMar Fiberglass Co.
Len closed up his shop in or about 81 or 82 and moved to Otsego Lake, MI. I have more info. Email me with your contact info and I will send It to you.
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Re: sundance weekender 20

Hello,

My name is Len Ferry and I was the designer and builder of the Sundance sailboats. Ed Brown was the original designer of the Sundance 20 and Ed and I designed and built the Sundance 23. I owned LF Fiberglass and Elmar Boar Co. in the mid 70's and built all of the Sundance boats. My personal Sundance 23 was named FourToGo and I sold her to a buyer in Bullalo NY. She had a blue deck and a inboard Atomic 2 motor. Loved her, sailed in many races in Lake St Clair and Lake Huron. We held Sundance regattas in East Tawas Michigan. My company was in Roseville Michigan and I shipped all over the US with a very good dealer in Mystic Conn. I have been told I cannot show my email address. my physical address is Len Ferry, po box 501, Almont MI 48003
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Re: sundance weekender 20

My name's Martin and I'm from Poland. I've bought a Sundance 23 six years ago. It was completely damaged and I rebuilt it from fundamentals. I had my own concept for an interior. I had work only with my wife. It took me 3 years and I've been sailing on the Baltic Sea for 3 years. My hull no. is ELM200121276. My boat's name is Marmon (Martin & Monica . I really enjoy my yacht, it gives me a lot of fun and pleasure.

Len Ferry, thank you for so beatiful boat. If you have any technical info of Sundance 23, I will be grateful. Especially, I need a total weight and weight of keel, a material of keel (e.g. lead?) and how keel is connected to the hull.

Best regards from Gdynia, Poland.
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This is a shout out to Len Ferry and Ed Brown. I bought the second 23' made from the Detroit boat show. It had several unique features. The mold had not yet been completed for the inner hull structure so mine was done in all wood. It had a Baldwin Sea drive that I made several modifications to to get it to run correctly. The boat as I understand was originaly intended to be Len's personal boat and as such was made with a thicker hull than all of the others. Having drilled holes through the hull for hull fittings I can attest to that fact. It had a 1,200 fixed lead keel that saved my ass on more occasion including two storm knock downs, one on lake Huron and one on lake St. Clair. In both cases the sails hit the water and she just popped backed up and high tailed it like a scalded rabbit. The color was a bright orange with a white bottom. I never saw another one of that color. The only complaint I ever had of the boat was that when heeled it had a lot of weather helm. Ed said the mast needed to be moved forward more and that this change would be picked up on the next generation of boats. About the only similar boat I could not beat in a straight out race of similar size and shape was a Ranger 24 which is an outright purpose built race boat. I single handed mine from one end of the Great Lakes to the other and always felt safe and secure in that boat. Stupid me, I sold it to buy a house and I have been looking to buy it back ever since. So if any of you knows where an "Orange" 23' Sundance is for sale, please let me know.
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Re: sundance weekender 20

Alright. How the heck did a Sundance 23' sailboat get to Poland from Roseville Michigan. There has to be one hell of a story here!
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Re: sundance weekender 20

Well its been about four years since my first post responding to this thread regarding Sundance sailboats. At the time it seemed that there were few remaining Sundances around and even less information about them. What a welcome surprise to see the post from Len Ferry! .... feels like a floodgate has been finally opened! I expect all the other owners who have stumbled onto this thread have a fond connection to these sailboats, and I guess in some sense a connection to the builders. So a big thank-you to Len and Ed Brown for designing and manufacturing our great little sailboat (Sundance 20) and all the other Sundances in their various sizes and configurations! Our family has many great memories of sailing our Sundance with our young kids in the 90s. It was a fun, versatile and safe boat. I will not part with our little sailboat and it is patiently waiting for (hopefully) another round of memories with our kids families.
There has been significant efforts by several ( esp RogerConrad) to gather information on these boats so hopefully with Len's assistance a factual profile on these great sailboats can be put together. Welcome news indeed!
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