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post #11 of 20 Old 12-01-2006
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Outside top containers occasionally go overboard
That would be a sad, sad way for a sailboat to meet it's demise (amongst the pacific flotsam inside of a cargo container). Worse would be the container that is holding the boat colliding with a bluewater cruiser!

Are the cargo containers held in place by any rigging or are they just waiting to topple off of the ship in rough seas? Seems like there are too many of these things floating around in the oceans; with so many ocean racers running into them and sinking in recent years.
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I still haven't seen any real numbers about ships hitting containers, so I'm going to withhold any speculations there (the topic is almost as sensitive as keel types or battery charging).

There are various interlocking systems to hold containers in place, but overloaded containers, incorrect or insufficient handling and heavy weather all take their toll. The metal corner interlocks wear out with time and become loose. A lot of containers are so old, rusted and abused that they break apart onboard. I heard that some companies and ships are notorious for losses and a smart agent will choose a good ship and routing for goods instead of trusting to luck.

I remember seeing an online video recently of containers falling overboard in a storm, but can't find a reference anymore.


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Check this container out...happened just the other day here in NC!

http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...5304&ran=44455
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Just heard on the VHF that 6 MORE containers have just come adrift off Cape Hatteras. We're all hoping it's the salsa and guacamole!
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Hehehehe!!!

Hey Cam, you just made me laugh.....

Sudenly I was picturing you like this:

Where I grew up, many years ago, we used to have these old ladies that would spend the whole day at the window watching life go by, form 8am till almost mid-night!!!.

One particular day, a guy parked his bike under the window of one of the ladies, and left.
Later on the guy came back, and the lady looked down and said - "If I were you I would not ride that bike, you may crash!!"

The guy looked up really mad and said somnething like "mind your business old lady".

Well the guy rode his bike, sped up, and suddenly just passed a cross road real fast and crashed, almost was hit by a car. The lady said: "see, I told you).

It turns out that her son in law (mad because of the bikes parked underneath their window) put grease on the guys bike's rims!!!

After, many years later, I asked her why she did not tell the guy, and she said, well son, the day was very boring until then!!!!!!

Please no offense, but you look like thos ladies at the window, and I can see you smilling at all this.
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Cam, thanks for the interesting read. I can't wait for the Super Bowl. I want to see the guy's Doritos commercial (assuming he wins the competition).

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Mike's info on shipping is on the money. Larger yachts are carried in "open-top" containers which are really open all around, with canvas covering sides and top. Larger yet are carried in open tops, but require special stowage to allow for dimensions beyond the container. You'll pay for that special stowage. Yachts shipped in the latter manner should be covered (shrink-wrap,etc..), although usually are not, resulting in stack gas debri which is very acidic depositing on them.
Your car will fit in a 20', although these are becoming rarer. Some companies will charge the same for a forty as for a twenty as it simplifies the stow. Generally speaking, your container would be carried within the stow and not on top with those spaces generally reserved for MTs.
As Mike indicated, the securing of your boat and goods internally is very important. This container may be going through thirty degree rolls as well as pitching back and forth. Do not worry too much about loss or damage. That is one of the principal advantages to containerization. If the cargo is properly secured inside the container you'll have a good out turn. Containers tend to go over the side in bunches, ie... the hatch cover is carried away. It is not a common occurence. In twenty years, I was never on a ship that lost one. If you have a stowage preference I would ask for inboard as, on the smaller feeder vessels, if a boarding sea is taken it can peel the side of the container right open.
APL serves Guam via the west coast and the Orient with feeders running into Guam a couple times a week. You can ship from anywhere in the US. APL will supply a sea container and then ship by truck/rail to San Pedro, Oakland, or Seattle. I believe the feeder service to Guam comes out of Naha, Okinawa.

As far as tainting damage referred to above, I think this to be a bit of a fish story. Years ago, in the break-bulk trade, we had to stow so that the tea from Ceylon was not stowed next to the jute from Cochin. You either got a pleasant smelling carpet or, more likely, disgusting smelling tea. Another advantage to containerization; we can ship taintable cargo adjacent to odiferous cargo with no mingling of odor.
If you're going to Guam, make sure you get up to Saipan, seventy-five miles north. If you don't scuba, take lessons, as they are inexpensive and the diving is some of the finest in the world-better than Hawaii. Ask for Ben in Saipan, he's Chamorran, everybody knows him, and he's an excellent dive master.
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I am currently researching the above topic, but to import a new Mac to Australia. I have been quoted Aust$4700 from LA to Brisbane. The Mac appears to be too wide with a beam of 2.36m, however, a container's width is 2.35m. However, in this photo it shows a Mac in a container. I also read on a Mac website that they have designed the Mac to fit into a standard container for low cost shipping.

http://www.macgregor26.com/shipping/container_large.jpg
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You were probably looking at the interior volume of a reefer container, which you don't need. You've got right around 8' width-should fit fine.
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You should check directly with the factory - they ship them to dealers in 40 Ft. containers and I think they stick 2 per container. They might also have an overseas shipping option.
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