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knothead 11-29-2006 04:46 PM

Stand up/Sit down
 
Not sure if general discussion is the place for this or not but what the heck.
When I was little the head in my dad's boat was in the head. Way up in the forpeak. I can't remember how many times I was thrown on my butt while standing there making use of the facilities.
Anyway, here's my point. I learned over time that I ended up with a lot less bruises and was a lot less messy if I just planted myself instead of trying to stand up like a man.
My question is this. Is it unreasonable of me to ask that male passengers on my 27 footer who are too shy to use the lee rail sit instead of stand when they use my head?
Is it really unmanly or what.
To be honest, I've found that my better half appreciates it when I use the sit down method even in the house.
I know it's not a pretty topic, but we're not afraid to tackle the tough ones here on Sailnet are we.

SteveCox 11-29-2006 04:48 PM

I usually just give a "BTW real sailors sit" to all new crew. It elicits a laugh and they get the message.

Cruisingdad 11-29-2006 04:53 PM

Standing up in a sea is like painting the walls. I think you know how I feel. Of course, I have two boys, so it is not as if that thing stays clean anyways. One of the very few benefits of 2 heads.

hellosailor 11-29-2006 05:09 PM

You can deal with the issue any way you please, it's your boat and those who disagree honestly CAN be told to "put a knot in it." Captain's Perogative.

You may be able to make the point by simply saying that anyone who misses the bowl will be invited to clean out the entire head and that if they really don't want that job, they can think about doing what the skipper does and SIT DOWN.

Or, you can try adding a simple piece of equipment that doesn't get the credit it really should, a "kneeling board". This is simply a large board, like a 2x12, with two u-shaped cutouts on one edge. You install the board in front of the head, so a male can squat down, semi-straddling the bowl with each leg (below the knee) resting in one of those cutouts. (It's similar to the position you'd take when sitting in a Balans chair.)

No need to drop the trousers & foulies, no need to sit, and Real Damned Hard to miss the bowl.

If someone still misses the bowl, you can take the kneeling board and whack 'em over the head with it.<G>

Cruisingdad 11-29-2006 05:12 PM

Funny hello, and for the record, I totally agree! Don't like the way I run my boat, you can jump overboard now!!

PBzeer 11-29-2006 05:53 PM

At the risk of straying into total grossness (is that a word?), since I carry water in gallon jugs for cooking and making tea, I save the empties and when under way and can not go over the side, I use the jugs. That way my aim is true, and no need to flush the head (thereby filling it up even faster). When I reach somewhere I can empty my trash, I simply toss out the jug/s. No fuss, no muss. Not the most appealing method perhaps, but it works well when you're by yourself and don't want to be inside too long.

knothead 11-29-2006 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBzeer
At the risk of straying into total grossness (is that a word?), since I carry water in gallon jugs for cooking and making tea, I save the empties and when under way and can not go over the side, I use the jugs. That way my aim is true, and no need to flush the head (thereby filling it up even faster). When I reach somewhere I can empty my trash, I simply toss out the jug/s. No fuss, no muss. Not the most appealing method perhaps, but it works well when you're by yourself and don't want to be inside too long.

From what I understand that is the prefered method for PI's everwhere.

ebs001 11-29-2006 06:12 PM

I find the toilets to small to sit and do #1. I don't know what your talking about though. I just let it all hang out to the bottom of the bowl. Anyway it's my boat and I'm the captain and I make the rules and I stand. I wedge myself in and can do it on either tack even when heeling. Sitting is far to dangerous for me.

knothead 11-29-2006 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebs001
I find the toilets to small to sit and do #1. I don't know what your talking about though. I just let it all hang out to the bottom of the bowl. Anyway it's my boat and I'm the captain and I make the rules and I stand. I wedge myself in and can do it on either tack even when heeling. Sitting is far to dangerous for me.

Where's the ego patrol!!!

Parley 11-29-2006 06:41 PM

Oh my, I got into this discussion with a group of construction contractors last year. Across the board, the opinion was: If you sit you ain't a dude, period. Frankly, if that is one's attitude, I would be leary of going out on his boat as he is obviously making decisions for the wrong reasons. Practicality has to come into play when safety is concerned. Case in point: Skipper and one crew out for a daysail. Skipper goes below to take a leak. Crew is completely inexperienced, but skipper says "just hold this course and I'll be back long before I'm needed". Oops. Skipper falls, bangs head and is now unconscious with drawers around his ankles. This situation will likely lead to an unpleasant ending. I was that skipper. Although I was not knocked unconscious, it was the last time I stood in a head.


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