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Old 12-08-2006
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Ditto on bowlines as the preferred method....BUT...if that doesn't work for you...simply use one long line...fold in half and pass the loop end through the cringle and then the bitter ends through the loop...no knots required but keep an eye on chafe! (Lark's Head Knot...http://www.home.zonnet.nl/willeke_ig...not_table.html)
Ditto: After that I lead my sheets aft thru the pulleys and terminate with a stopper knot.

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I wanted to thank all of you for your advice, ya'll are a great bunch, I think I'll go with the larks head first and go from there.

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Hey Bill...speaking of stopper knots...I was recently shown one that I like a lot. I always used the standard figure 8 knot but if you take one extra turn around the standing line before coming back through the hole, it really makes a nice stopper that is less prone to jamming up when tensioned. Thought I'd pass it on.
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Talking about bowlines and making them.
let him do the job.

He aproached our boat from the bow and grabed one of the rails with one hand.

I swear that when he removed his hand, (1 or 2 seconds later), he had tied a bowline to my boat !!!!!!! I didn't even understand how he had done it!! I was wondering if it was magic trick!!
My bet is he used the slip not method of tying the bowline. It's quick and does indeed look like magic when you are using a nice supple line.

The trick is tying a slip knot in the working end of the line with a flick of the wrist. You hold the dead end of the line in your right hand, and the working end in your left hand, palm up, with the working end passing by your thumb..

Holding the line loosly, rotate your hand in toward your body forming a bight. Grab the working end with your fingers and pull it through the bight forming a slip knot with the working end being the sliding part.

Then pass the dead end through whatever you are tying to, put it though the loop of the slip knot, give the working end a tug to invert the slip knot, and instant bowline.

Much more impressive than the sailor stagers out of the bar, goes around the tree to take a pee, and goes back into the bar method.

Have fun practicing.

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Hey Bill...speaking of stopper knots...I was recently shown one that I like a lot. I always used the standard figure 8 knot but if you take one extra turn around the standing line before coming back through the hole, it really makes a nice stopper that is less prone to jamming up when tensioned. Thought I'd pass it on.
And it looks much more elegant than the standard figure 8.

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I think what you are describing is called the "stopper knot". Go figure.
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BTW, the stopper knot is better than the figure 8 knot in modern lines, as it is far less likely to shake out or get kicked out.
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A double lark's head will not be a prone to slip under load as a lark's head otherwise known, less nobly, as a cow hitch.
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It was suggested to me yesterday that a loop through the cringle then whipped is a good method. I'm surprised that this would be strong enough. Any thoughts ?
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I don't think whipping alone would be strong enough. Unless you whip w/carbon line. The way I previously tried to describe (poorly) involved finding the center of the line and double it on its self. Whip together making a loop, along with (I think) another short piece of line. Pass the loop thru the cringle with the short length going on the other side of cringle and the passing thru the loop. This prevents the loop from going back thru cringle. Short length of line is then made fast back to its self with (again, I think) a half hitch.

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