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Bad News...

I remember we were talking a few days back about the sparce SAR over here.

This morning a large steel fishing vessel, had one net tangled in its propeler, in bad seas, and beached.

They sounded their SOS at 7 am the first heli arrived at almost 9 am!!!!!!!

The boat was less than 50 yerds from the dry beach and the crew couln't get to land (50 yards!!!!!!!!). The fishermen are on TV now talking really mad about the lack of means for SAR over here. Apparentely if you deploy it at night you might not get any answer. I said might, ok??

The firemen, yes firemen do the SAR here, went to the beach and had no means (NO TOOLS) to get the men out!! They slowly died one by one in front of everyone, 50 yards!!!!!!!!!!!

I am really pissed of today.

By the way, near the large cities, like Lisbon, Porto, there is response to SAR, but these guys were not in the city!

Sad, very sad.
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This is a truly tragic story and teaches again the old and hard lessons:

1. Going to sea can be a hazardous business and those who do must prepare accordingly.

2. There should be no expectation on the part of one who has gotten himself into danger that another person should face equal peril to effect a rescue.

3. Those who place their faith in governments are frequently disappointed.

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Goodnewsboy,

Amen to that!! It's sad that now there are 2 helis and a Navy vessel looking for bodies!!! Now??? the milk is spilled... too late..they should be yesterday hoisting the poor fishermen out of the surf, 50 yards from dry sand!!

This was in line with a discussion we had a while ago where I thought you guys in the US, are lucky for the professional USCG, so much so that people there take it for granted, and safety gear seems to be "optional"!! I was amazed...

Here we simply have no means, and our SAR is limited, that is why we have all the requirments for safety gear and such, as mandatory by LAW, inspected by the Navy, and he happily comply, because it's what might save our ass.
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Hi Giuletta:

Are exposure suits commonly found aboard fishing vessels there in Portugal?
It seem as if those could have been effective in this case.
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GNB,

They died of exhaustion!!!!!!!!

The boat was sideways in the surf at the beach 30 meters from the dry sand!! as the waves hit and rock the boat they had to grab strong and died one by one in front of a powerless population!!! Unbelievable.

The water temperatures here are not freezing so they don't have/need those suits.

The photo is small, but you can see the boat in the beach (low tide here), and the site is in Portuguese.

http://www.portugaldiario.iol.pt/not...=291&id=756468
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There is a link to eight photographs just below the picture under 'multimedia.'
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Giu...I don't understand why the men could not leave the boat in their lifejackets and swim or get pushed in to shore. I'm sure I am missing some important piece of information. Can you explain further? Very tragic!
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I'm with Cam, I must be missing something. If the water was warm and they were that close to shore???
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Even though we are used to the massive USCG presence and response in the US, many of us know it is not always automatic, it is not always possible, and it is very much fallible.
A couple of years ago a casual acquaintance decided he'd spent enough time working on his boat and he was going to start sailing around the world. Several of us urged him to start in the sheltered waters of LI Sound and get a few weeks of getting used to the boat, but he was adamant "it's time" and he went, with almost no sailing experience on a 38? 39? foot ketch.
The wx was light rain and getting worse when he left, with a storm building as he cleared south out of NY harbor. Sometime later that day, someone on the NJ shore reported to the USCG that there was a sailboat in trouble, one sail trailing, very close in to shore, very rough water. (The north NJ shore can be a bad lee shore, shoals extending way out, contrary wind and current, no safe inlets in bad wx.)
A patrol boat attempted to get out--but couldn't clear the inlets. These are typically in the range of 44' long and they're used to running in the worst of weather, they just couldn't get out of the inlet. There were no air assets to launch in the dark, in that wx they wait until daylight.
By daylight the wx was better and NJSP marine units and the USCG were both alerted to "about three feet of a mast sticking out" several miles out of an inlet. It was his boat. Body never recovered, presumed lost at sea.
All this within "easy" SAR range of Atlantic City, NJ just south of NYC, but sometimes even the USCG has no assets that can deal with plain bad weather.

Then there are times when they simply have no assets, there are currently something like 8 larger ships tied up in Key West because of structural issues after a bad overhaul plan. There have been reports of helos and Hercules not being able to launch in the Pacific because some assets were cannibalized for parts, others down for routine maintenance, and what was left, was simply fully committed.
We've had our own outcries about funding for the USCG, things may be "better" here but they aren't quite perfect either. USCG shore stations solicit civilian volunteers for non-essential tasks like radio watchstanding--because they literally can't staff enough crew to meet the duty rosters.

And even here, strandings have been fatal. A Chinese freighter "Golden Venture" was beached on the south shore of Brooklyn (Long Island, NYC) and the immigrants being smuggled into the US tried to jump overboard and swim ashore one night. Not all made it--and that's right within NYC, not some isolated coast.

SAR assets are expensive, most taxpayers simply won't vote for them. Even here, you'll never hear a CongressCritter getting running for election on a platform of "More money for the USCG!"
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One died and five missing people
2006/12/29 | 13:51
Shipwreck of fishing boat to the plaza of the Nazaré. A man was rescued with life. Authorities have few hopes to find more surviving. Critical to the delays of the aid helicopter

The authorities have few hopes to find with life the five missing people of a boat that was shipwrecked this friday to the plaza of the beach of the Légua, Pataias, due to low temperature of the water, said the commander of the captainship of the Nazaré, cited for the Lusa.

According to commander Jose Miguel Grandson, the temperature of the water of the sea is of ten degrees, for what the human being is very difficult to survive much water time inside.

The boat “Light of the Sameiro” was shipwrecked today of morning about 50 meters of the beach, for what responsible of the captainship the suspicion that if has dealt with some problem of engine or that the nets have been imprisoned in the helices.

According to commander, the center of search coordination and rescue of Lisbon was informed by the proper boat for an emitted signal when anomalies of this type occur.

The boat was sighted for the first time about 08:00 for Jose Saldanha, a fisherman who had fond has little to the beach of the Légua, having informed soon of followed two swimmer-rescuers who inhabit in this population.

The two swimmer-rescuers, Cardeira Luis and Hugo Enriques, had dived in the sea and had still made two attempts to rescue the members of the crew of the boat, that was in the height run aground in the sand.

Four members of the crew were imprisoned, for the arms, to the amurada one of the boat, and one of them, a ucraniano with about 40 years (that it would finish for being rescued with life), still answered the swimmers.

“We still tried to go to the boat, but he was very gasóleo and the nets hinder-in the ones to arrive there”, he remembered Cardeira Luis.

Critical to the delay of the ways of aid

The two swimmers, as well as some popular ones, criticize the delay in the arrival of the helicopter of the Air Force to the place.

“Two hours are much time, if they came more early, fear the taken off one of there”, said Hugo Enriques.

The commander Jose Miguel Grandson affirmed however that the helicopter was informed to 08:45 and to 10:00 was to still remove the ucraniano member of the crew with life, by what the time expense is considered normal.

The ucraniano member of the crew presented hiportemia signals and was taken for the hospital of Leiria.

According to commander, the member of the crew wise person the reasons of the accident and did not only say that she was to sleep when she apercebeu herself of the situation.

The authorities suspect that inside of the ship still it is at least a body, being able to be at least plus a prisoner in the nets next to the boat.

During the afternoon, when the tide will be empty, the boat will have to be towed for the areal.

For the place of the accident already the familiar ones had been called the members of the crew of the boat, of Village of the Conde, and whose shipowner already also was contactado by the authorities.

The helicopter of the Air Force continues in place, having IDO to replenish about 13:30.

You equip of the Maritime Policy and of the voluntary firemen of the Nazaré and the National Institute of Medical Emergency (INEM) they are to follow the operations, carrying through searches in the zone the north of the place of the accident.

In drowning situations, the bodies costumam to give to the coast in the stated period of six hours, or then only 48 hours later, had to the decomposition process.


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