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Radar Flag

I read on another forum that the Radar flags aren't very visible to other ships unless they are coming at you from port or starboard. If they are coming at you from dead on the flag is streaming aft and not visible. I'm not sure if that's the way it works, but it sounds right to me.
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Hey John, Just a note in response to "Stars and Bars". Where I come from that description is reserved for another flag altogether. Some of us still live with our history and it seems likely that we might not confuse our Northern brethren if we refer to the US flag as "Stars and Stripes". Just a thought.
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Yes, even an honorary Missourian has to give credence to what he says.

In terms of "which flag", btw, any flag that previously has been a legal US flag, is still considered to be a legal and proper US flag. So, if you prefer to fly one of the older ones, that's still perfectly legal and proper. Even if it confuses the heck out of some folks--which might be a good way to hide in plain sight in some parts of the world.
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My own reaction is to say "Your honor, it was clearly identified as a pirate ship, so I took action against it as required by law." Kinda like gag t-shirts saying "I'm with Osama", there's just nothing I find tasteful or humorous about them.
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I think you might have an issue with both the Jolly Roger and the traditional Stars n' Bars. The Jolly Roger might get you hung from a yardarm somewhere, and the Stars n' Bars was never a flag of the UNITED States of America and thus wouldn't qualify unless you used it as the Captians private burgee.
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Talking Stars and ??

There's a lesson here: Never write about flags at the end of an exhausting week, or while sitting in a bar, or while standing on a stripe, or whatever.

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johnsail- I think everything is a little better when the descriptions ends with, "...while sitting in a bar."
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Dear John Rousmaniere,
Are the traditionalists still hanging on to the olí pig sticks? I thought that with wind flys, antennas, and everything else, that the starboard spreader was now the place of honor these days. The big no-no in our club is flying the burgee off the port spreader. I want to thank you again for the lecture you did in conjunction with North Sails a couple of years ago in San Francisco. It was very informative and my wife and I enjoyed it very much. Recently, we also saw your videos of the Annapolis Book of Seamanship for the first time. My, how the yachting attire styles have changed over the past 20 (25?) years.
I came to sailing late in life and have found the Annapolis Book of Seamanship to be a great resource. Thanks, John.
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Flag etiquette

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In terms of etiquette? "Permanently" is simply wrong. Correct flag etiquette means raising it in the morning and lowering it in the evening, as well as during inclement weather. Or while engaged in battle, and a few other unusual circumstances.

The modern habit of flying a flag 24x7, lighted at night or not, and just letting it shred in the wind, to me in disrespectful jingoism, not to be confused with flying a flag. If you want it to be there "always" then you paint it on the mast or hull--rather than flying one.
I'd have to disagree with you there. What you mention is the most traditional way of flying a flag, but there is nothing disrespectful about flying the US flag at night or in foul weather as long as it is properly cared for.

US Flag Code
Sec. 6. - Time and occasions for display

(a) It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.

(c) The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed.

The only caveat I would place with this is that people need to be attentive to the flags condition if they are going to fly it this much. Often people put it up and forget about it. The flag should be inspected frequently and repaired or replaced and properly disposed of (VFW is a good place to bring it) of it becomes damaged.
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Making colors

Thanks for the nice words and the forgiving silence from my fellow southerners (I'm 1/4 Kentucky, 1/4 Texas) ). Maybe someone can answer this: Why does a day on a vessel start at 0800? That's when morning colors are made, meaning that the ensign is hoisted. Maybe it has to do with the morning change of watch at sea. (I've also seen 0900 mentioned in the context of winter in northern latitudes.) Evening colors are made at sunset proper. Colors are fun in areas where yacht clubs are bunched tightly. On a calm morning or evening, the repeated blasts of the cannon echo each other for it seems minutes. Talk about starting and ending the day with due ceremony!

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