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I was going to say 5 to 12 if you can do the install yourself. 12 to 20 turnkey. (thats thousand of course)
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Other names of diesels that I keep seeing are Westerbeke, Universal and Atomic. Any opinions on these brands?
Atomics are gas engines as far as I know. Universals seem to be the quietest motors around - they are based on the Kubota engines. Westerbeke makes a nice 3 cyl engine that may suit you, but local Canadian prices are close to $20K installed.
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When I bought my last boat, the yard in which the boat was located (very reputable) and the engine surveyor whom I hired for $250, the selling broker and the previous owner all recommended that I replace the engine. The owner really just went along with the recommendation which was fine with me from a pricing point of view.

After buying the boat, I ordered 12 oil analysis kits and began sampling the oil for the engine and the transmission. The two first tests said that the engine and transmission were in imminent danger of a breakdown. I called the analysis company, they were very helpful; they made it clear that if the oil and transmission fluid had not been changed regularly before the test, the results would be biased. Additionally, multiple samples needed to be analyzed to determine a trend.

Long story short, after 6 oil and transmission fluid changes, initially after only 10 hours of use each, and reporting to the analysis company hours between changes, the test results came back normal and the engine and transmission gave me no trouble that I didn't cause myself...that's another story!

Obviously, the previous owner had not cared for the engine. The engine, however, was in great shape after a little TLC.

If the engine starts well and you do not observe power loss or other outward signs of lost compression, it's probably OK.

Why are you re-powering? If the engine works, keep it. New engines cost a lot, as you have seen.
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Sialia I'm not re-powering, I'm just trying to get some pre-first boat knowledge. From the replacement cost you guys are talking about, a good diesel motor is high priority for my first boat.

Thanks again to everyone you're a great resource
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Right you are Sialia! Periodic maintenance is the key to long engine life.

G ... prefer a land based engine over a marine version ... a diesel is a diesel, no? Might be easier to get parts, like a head gasket, for a light truck diesel based powerplant than a marine unit if you're stuck in the back of beyond. Of course if you're a city slicker with money to burn ...

I went with the Westerbeke (Isuzu) instead of the Yanmar, and the only difference I can see is the color and 4 grand in my pocket.
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Perkins, Kubota, or Mitsubishi based blocks will have parts the world over since they are tractor, fork lift and taxi cab engines on land.
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G ... prefer a land based engine over a marine version ... a diesel is a diesel, no? Might be easier to get parts, like a head gasket, for a light truck diesel based powerplant than a marine unit if you're stuck in the back of beyond. Of course if you're a city slicker with money to burn ....
Sorry but I don't agree with you on this. A diesel is not a diesel. You can't say gas engine is just a gas engine when talking about planes, do you??

I agree that its easier to get parts for land based engines, but you don't have a normal land base diesel on a boat (even Volvo has "marinized" their engine). Some spares might go, but most won't.

I don't know about Westerbeke (Isuzu) engines as we don't have them, but then again I bet you don't have Volkswagen marine and we do. that is why I kept my opinion limited to what I know, Yanmar and Volvo.

We also have NANI, do you have that there??

Now for me, I rather have a marine diesel, designed from scratch for a boat, than a land modified to go on a boat. Where the differences inside are, I have no idea, but I have had my engine all covered with salt water and still no rust. Do that on a regular diesel and see. Besides I have a sail drive, and that changes everything, also. Sorry for not agreeing. Ok?


By the way, what is a city slicker??? I am sure I am not that!! I do not burn money


As for the Yanmar curves, as requested by Jones, Hope they are visible.

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G ... a diesel IS a diesel ... all operate on the same principal ... marine verses land is nothing more than 6+ weeks to order plus air freight verses local purchase ...

cockeyed is cheap likes to roll around in his money at night like Scrooge McDuck ...

yeah, got the specs from the dealer ... he had a payment due on his Lexus!
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Ask someone who's tried to pull a diesel out of a junked Suburban or truck, marinize it, and install it to run a power boat. Everything looks and runs so good for about a month (except for a disappointing lack of power) then it starts to decline rapidly. IMO going with a marine diesel engine makes sense and is worth the extra investment.
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Yanmars have a pretty good warranty, they stand behind their product.
No anodes needed. Good engineering. Parts are available resonable cost.
No glow plugs and a higher mompression ratio. 390-470 PSI

Westerbekes seem to have a higher ( new )engine failure.
Lower compression. 312-389 PSI Glow Plugs.
When you begin working on one, Red Paint Chips Everwhere !!!
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