Originally Posted by TrueBlue
We should never justify the substitution of impervious materials with inappropriately expendable products, just for the sake of saving a few pennies.
Unfortunately they do!!! Its a $$$ driven industry, not wind driven anymore!! And they do it BECAUSE THEY CAN, AND WILL DO!!!
And setting strict rules (at least in Europe) didn't work either, because manufacturers came up with all types of tests and certifications for their materials, and those got approved, well. Why???? because they are all idiots, those who certify!!!!
Boat builders, come up with all kinds of good results and certifications for shitty materials, you know how it works. Go inside a Bavaria and pass your hand inside the sofa. You get splinters in your fingers!!!!! Look at the hull windows on a Jeanneau, might as well not have windows, the water gets in anyway, look at Dufour's deck!! (glued with Sikaflex!!!!!!). I know I see it, I'm surrounded by those, over here, no BS here....
Just to give you an idea, of how the quality certification is working there. They made us read, sign and go thru all kinds of project studies, material certifications, for resins, fibers, , gel coat, electrical, hatches (yes we had to present Lewmar's hatches certification), mast certification, this, that etc.. during construction of my boat.
Everything needed to be certified and approved, the shop was audited 4 times for health and safety, (the builder could not have wood stocked inside the place where the hull was being made, (now hoe thte hell do you do that????) the construction was stopped one day so an idiot inspector did his "inspection", looked at the boat from the outside, smoked a cigarette, and demanded us to pay him lunch!!!
Finally, my boat was launched in end of march, and we had to submit the boat to sea certification, because being a prototype, it needed European Union Certification, done in Brussels, Belgium. So we had to hire a independent "boat Inspection authorithy", that sent a guy, that wanted to walk inside my pristine teak deck with his HILL BILL boots on!!! (we started on the wrong foot, really).
He came with a freaking transparent water hose, and wanted to nail it (yes nail it) to the bulkhead, so he could measure boat stability with 3 people on the bow, at port, starbord and stern!!! 3 people!!!!!!!!!!! on a 42' by 14.6' with a lead torpedoe 9' bellow the water line. The boat didn't move, obviuosly. He said we had somehow "attached" the boat to the sea floor!!!!!!
Then he went away, and we had to wait 3 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the papers, because, ho ho ho, those people in Brussels, ho ho ho, they are too BUSY STICKING THEIRS THUMBS UP THEIR ASS!!!!!
In the mean time, we had to do our work and sail and test the boat, but ho ho ho, we couldn't go to sea.!!!! Had to sail in a harbour!!!!!! with a 42' fast sailboat, where you can't even have a row boat, witha stupid EXP (experimental) sticker on the hull!!!
So my friend, now that I am really pissed off, this is an example of how boat certification is done here, and why Shitty materials are allowed in, (and end up there, in the US). (and don't tell me in the US is different, it is not, its the same **** everywhere). That is why you have bad boats being allowed and certified. It simply does not work, so forget it!!! Too much people, ho ho ho, with their thumb up their ass!!!
Yetr, we all know they are **** boats, but buy sail magazine, and, ho ho ho, the best boat of the year, the epoxy wonder of 5th avenue, the kevlar head wonder. Its all fake corrupt ****!!!
By the way. I was able to go to Sea, only in August when I received the Oceanic certification!!!
Hell just burst a vein in my neck!!!