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This forum is about sailing, boats, and to help people like myself enjoy our wonderful sport to the fullest. Hopefully in doing so it creates an atmosphere in which people from all different countries, race, background, etc can come together and learn from each other. That thread was going to do the complete opposite, so in my opinion, Cam was 100% correct to end it before it got completely out of control!

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doctom...

ever been to the third or fifth ward?
I'll wager your argument about "force of action" there wouldn't hold a lot of water.

We are not primarily on earth to see through one another, but to see one another through

Some people are like slinkies: not really good for anything... but you can't help laughing when you push them down the stairs
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Always follow the money. If no money is involved then ask what the agenda was. I believe the agenda of the original post was to hide behind free speach to stir up and incite, not to add to this SAILING FORUM. The forum moderator has a duty to and right to moderate this sailing forum for it's intended purpose. No one is squashing anyones freedom of speech, if you have a burning desire to discuss such things then start a board of your own or find one whose agenda matches your own.
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if you have a burning desire to discuss such things then start a board of your own or find one whose agenda matches your own.
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and call it wanker.net
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This was so obviously a troll thread, Why are all of you feeding the troll?

Please stop feeding the troll.
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Now this is the internet, freedom of speech and all that good stuff... sorry as a brit we can say what we want and to whom....i believe it is the same over there ... unless you are still running under dicator bush... we have Herr Blair.. same thing differnt disgusie.....bottom line is that Mr.camardarie was way out of line...
1. he expressed his personnel interest in the thread and his opinion, what ever happened to being neutral ???
2. he issued threats to mr sailmaster... banning for his response to another reply....what ever happened to just letting things just go and die a natural death ???
3. and after visiting his web page, it became apparent why....sorry any one who dresses in those yachtie clothes is just not taken seriously around here.. for goodness sakes,,, and after surfing his page discover he is an expert on the the 'ditch' and the east coast run ... come on do some real sailing... trans atlantic ? europe ? OHHH Great Britain ?? ( tides will confuse him)..and he runs this forum... experince and dress says heaps...

So the question is this....
Who's opinion matters ?
the one of a moderator who wants all things nice and comfortable... or the one of the clients who log on here and voice there opinions and questions about life, sailing and the state of the oceans...


SO AM I BANNED ??
Since I seem to be the primary subject of the post above I will respond.
First...I will say that the referenced thread was closed due to the tenor of the conversation not the content. I stated my own opinion on the subject but the subjuct was NOT why the conversation was closed. Had I wished to simply enforce my own opinion, I could simply have deleted the thread. I left it in place so others of diverse opinions could read it and make up their own minds AND so that people with the SAME mindset as me would not have a WIN over those with different opinions simply by becoming un-civil.

Second...A few months ago I was just one of the gang here and was invited to be the moderator as it was the sense of the administrator of the site that SPAM needed more frequent tending and conversations were getting out of hand and were not in keeping with the purpose of the site and needed occasional intervention. They felt that my judgement was decent for the purpose and I made it clear they could overide any decision I took without offence. So far...I've made a couple of warnings...banned ONE person and stopped ONE thread. Not bad for 6 months or so I think...and a large measure of that is due to the quality of people we have on board here that value the civility even in raging arguments.

Third...I receive NO compensation for my role and am not an employee of SailNet. I have NO obligation to be neutral on any topic. This is a private, commercial site and there is NO RIGHT to free speech for anyone. There is a PRIVILEGE to enjoy the site and post here and learn as well. Of course if the conversation is stifled due to the "rules" then people will go elsewhere and the enterprise will suffer. It it my role to help keep a happy balance which of course means some will be un-happy.

Fourth...as to the personal attacks on my dress, lifestyle and sailing experience. I don't know what picture on my website "Brit" found...but I do admit to presently owning one sport jacket, one tie (black), one pair of dress shoes and one pair of dress socks. All of the above were purchased beore the year 2000. I guess that makes me a "yachtie". My experience is quite limited as I've only done bay and sound sailing for about 30 years and then for the last 6 put on about 20,000 miles in the ICW, offshore along the East Coast of the US, through the Bahamas chain and down through the Carribbean to Grenada while outfitting 2 boats for long term cruising while living board full time with no land based home having sold my house to by my boat. I was able to do this after 30 years of working over 60 hours a week and putting 3 kids through college and retiring at age 52. It is true I have never crossed an ocean and there ARE others here with vastly more experience in that regard. I also have never raced and know little about that subject. Nevertheless I do think my experience is more than 95% of other sailors will have and I take my hat off the the other 5% for their accomplishments.

I appreciate the personal support on this thread and via PM's that others have made regarding my decision to halt the BN thread. My suspicion is that "Brit" is a troll looking to stir the pot up but since this is the first thread I've stopped, I thought it would be helpful to respond so everyone understands my reasons (even if you don't agree with them) and the nature of my role here. Thanks.
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cardiacpaul...your statement is racist. you assume my race and you insinuate that a certain class of people are unlawful.

sorry that i wasted both of our time trying to help you from misunderstanding the protections gauranteed b our bill of rights.

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One thing I have found about forums like this is that (as frustrating as it may be, sometimes) you have to play by the forum owner's rules. Look at it as if you were a guest at someone else's home. If what you were discussing got too racy or heated for the homeowner's taste, he could ask you to change the subject or even leave his house. Same deal here. Of course we're all for free speech, but this isn't a street corner where you can shout whatever you like, as loud as you like.
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Have I mentioned what a nice day it was Sunday... Beautiful yesterday too... Catalina makes a better yacht than Hylas... I am uncertain which anchor to choose, can someone help? SHould I crimp or solder??

Thank you everyone in advance for all of your help as I know nothing about sailing or cruising...

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Cam, ya don't owe anybody an apology here for locking that thread.
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