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Changing the topic a bit, that Ross 780 looks like a pretty cool boat! I wish they had those in the US. I loved my Precision 23, but the Ross 780 looks like a step up, but still maintaining the traditional lines my P23 had (unlike Catalina's and Hunter's of a similar size).
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put out the wind scoop and you have a riding sail.

seriosly though on our old boat I threw a five gallon bucket off the stern like a sea anchor
and slowed it down a good bit we dont have much current though. A big tide around here is 18 inches.
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With the narrow-finned Ross 780 and other boats like it, the riding sail doesn't eliminate the anchor-sailing, but seriously slows it down, and more importantly softens the turns so there are less shock loads on the ground tackle.

When the bow falls off on boats like that, the boat acclerates, sometimes alarmingly, and when the rode fetches up it can, in a decent breeze, put enough shock on the anchor to pop it loose. This is reason enough to use a riding sail even though it's only a partial cure.

They stow compactly and are simple to deploy.(and to make, come to think of it - they need no shape, only a flat panel, a couple of hanks and loops)
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They do require a strong backstay though. Anchoring via the stern requires nothing he doesn't already have, except maybe the bridle.
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True, SD.. however a couple of things go against anchoring many monohulls by the stern.

One, it limits your ventilation issues, and in the off season a dodger (if present) will funnel a lot of cold air through the cabin spaces. You can close the companionway, of course, but you lose some light and may feel closed in depending on the boat.

Two, many monohulls have extended, flattened counters under the transom; even ripples can create a lot of noise, and a small chop can be unbearably noisy if facing windward. This is especially a problem with today's common aft cabins when you are trying to sleep.

btw, do you sail a Farrier/Corsair? We have friends with a F25C which they, too, often anchor by the stern.
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Looked at the Corsairs, decided they were far too wet a boat, and not really designed for comfort. In the Corsair F28, I can't even stand up, and I'm only 5' 4" or so. I can stand up in the F31, but it is a lot more expensive than the F28 and a nightmare to trailer. I also looked at the Quorning Dragonflies... they're very pretty, but ungodly expensive. Also, their folding system means that if you want to fold them to fit them in a slip, you have to pay for the extra 6' or so that the amas will extend past the stern... not cool.
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Thanks for your quick replies everyone. I have seen yachts with similar set ups as suggested and always wondered what it was for.

Thanks again. I will let you know how it goes.
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Pentium 7 try the cheaper option first. throw a 5 gallon bucket with a long line to the stern like previous post said and see if that solve your problem before spending sme bucks on a riding sail.
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Would another drawback to anchoring off the stern be you can no longer sail off your anchor? Maybe that is what prevented old timers from doing it, hence the tradition? Is prop fouling a problem also?
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Why wouldn't you be able to sail way from the anchor... just haul it up... and then unfurl/hoist the jib. If you're leaving the anchorage under sail, I don't see how you would foul the prop...

The real reason boats didn't do it is because of their design. The older, full keel design boats were far more stable at anchor bow to the wind and waves. You really need to read the web page I posted in my first post.
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