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didn't realize - I thought I read that catamarans were prone to capsizing - tris are not?
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I saw that when you had put it on another thread, good day on the water! Just a quick Q it looked as if you were close to burying the port ama at the begining of the clip, how dangerous would that be?


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I was out in Boston Harbor on the day after you shot the video (7th). It was even more exciting! The wind that day was blowing 25+ from the ENE with 6-7 foot swells. I had planned to make it to P-Town to introduce my wife to sailing (bad timing). We got to Pt Allerton and she turned green. I turned us around and we spent the rest of the day in the lee of Lovell's island. We saw about 5 other boats do exactly the same thing at the same point in the harbor.

That was quite a weekend!
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Trimarans and catamarans, properly designed and sailed properly, are far less likely to capsize than any monohull is. Most of the major capsizes of multihulls you read about are from racing multihulls, which are usually sailed on the edge of control, and have far larger sailplans than would be safe on a cruising multihull.

The initial stability on a multihull is far higher than that of any monohull. The real problem is that multihulls don't self-right... they're often more stable upside down than they are right-side up. However, they generally don't sink either... since they have no large mass of metal ballast trying to sink them.

The joke usually goes that "Multihulls have a position of ultimate stability—upside down." The response is usually, "Monohulls have a position of ultimate stability too, upright sitting on the bottom of the ocean." Both of these are true statements. The majority of boats out on the water don't have any ability to self-right.

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That wasn't burying the ama at all—that was the ama going through the top of the swell. If we had buried the ama, the deck would have been awash before the ama punched through the swell, which wasn't the case. There's a big difference. Burying the ama is a bad sign, since it means you're getting close to the point where the other ama is going to go up in the air...and that is the way multihulls get into trouble.

On this particular boat, it is designed to give you plenty of warning... Before you start burying the ama, what you will generally see is the tail of the leeward ama submerging. That's an indicator that you either need to reduce sail—if it is happening all the time or ease the sheets a bit—it is happening only occasionally.

It was a really good day on the water... and a lot of fun... most of that video was from the broad reach down to Cuttyhunk, with the wind behind us. Going back up to New Bedford, was a different story. New Bedford was almost directly into the wind...so it was an upwind slog and very soggy... Everyone but me was in full foulies and polar fleece.

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Newbie here - what were the conditions - wind in knots, wavee heights, etc? Small craft advisory or no?
We don't have small craft Advisories where I come from...you get the weather in TV...but I think they are monkeys...never get it right...but then..hey the weather man is an ape....

However, after sailing there for 30 some years...you look at the sky, the wind, the clouds...and know what its doing...we know the weather by signs..

In my place, when the wind "follows" the Sun, from east to west the winds never get over 20knots, and dies off the SW in the end of the afternoon, the seas are normally calm never more that 5' waves. Good to go with the kids and have some fun calm sailing...

However, when the wind doesn't shift, and doesn't follow the Sun, uhuhuhuhuh we get the "NORTADA", the northern winds, they blow up to 35 40 knots, then we sail real fast...more boats come out, ....and break booms....

This particular day we had a storm in Land, winds from the South East, blowing at 30 to 35 kts, waves were 10' well some were larger...then we got some rain...it was December last year..

We returned because the storm shifted south, and that day we got 50 to 60 kt winds in the afternoon.

We were sailing withs some kids in 470's if I find the link I'll post them...but you can see us and the tankers on those videos.

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I was out in Boston Harbor on the day after you shot the video (7th). It was even more exciting! The wind that day was blowing 25+ from the ENE with 6-7 foot swells. I had planned to make it to P-Town to introduce my wife to sailing (bad timing). We got to Pt Allerton and she turned green. I turned us around and we spent the rest of the day in the lee of Lovell's island. We saw about 5 other boats do exactly the same thing at the same point in the harbor.

That was quite a weekend!
That's what I call a good day of sailing... Of course the boat you're on makes a huge difference. I've found that I'm generally out in weather than some boats bigger than mine don't want to go out in.


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Just so you know what we're talking about. A Small Craft Advisory in the area I sail is defined as:

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Just so you know what we're talking about. A Small Craft Advisory in the area I sail is defined as:
Holly smoking beard....Batman....that's our average day for 180 days a year.....the rest is between 10 and 20 kts, 3 to 5' waves..

That's why they don't warn us about that...its normal life for us...

LOVE PORTUGAL...no wonder we are good sailors

By the way Cascais, was elected the best place for the America's Cup, due to its winds and seas, but they prefered King Carlos of Spain's money better!!!!!!!!!!

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We get quite a few of them in the Buzzards Bay area... and that's one reason I like sailing here...

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There was never considerable danger since SD was not driving!!!

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There was never considerable danger since SD was not driving!!!

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That's what I said...
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That wasn't the situation that day though.

GRRRR... CD, you're in trouble...

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