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It seems most sailors reef ties are not "permanently" attached? After getting caught in a thunderstorm that came up very quickly I am considering doing so...thoughts?

Drawbacks & Advantages of doing this (besides it not looking so good)?

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It seems most sailors reef ties are not "permanently" attached? After getting caught in a thunderstorm that came up very quickly I am considering doing so...thoughts?

Drawbacks & Advantages of doing this (besides it not looking so good)?
Ours are. Looks a bit untidy I guess but a small craft at sea is not the tidiest of critters after all. We use shock cord at the moment but I'm changing to simple ties. No hard bits to take out an eye when you lose your grip. (which I've been known to do at times ! )

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If you have lazyjacks, it really isnt' all that necessary to tie in the reef points, as the lazy jacks can help keep the sail's bunt contained.

IMHO, the reef points only need to be tied in if you're going to be reefed for an extended period of time, say a long downwind passage in the trades. For the duration of a short summer storm... or a beat back from a daysail, I don't really think it is necessary.

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Whatever's easiest. As far as not looking good, ever look at all those old photos of schooners. Trust me, you'll look very salty.

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ARrrrrrrhhh...salty good.

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Originally Posted by RickBowman
I have 2 sets of reefpoints in the main and every cringle has a permanent reef tie in it. I just tie a knot on either side to secure it into place. I also use lazy jacks on the main, but that is not a subsitute for reef ties nor was it ever intended to be used as such. How are you going to hold the reduced sail down on the boom with lazy jacks with the wind-a-blowin and be a-foolin with the sail shape with lazy jacks? Lazy jacks are for the mooring ball or marina only and I challenge, yes I drop the gauntlet to anyone who can describe how lazy jacks can subsitute in place of sail ties. Of course this challenge is in good nature, as we all skipper our vessels in the way that we deem best.
No one said that lazyjacks were a replacement for reef tie in points... just that they can help keep the sail out of your way and contained near the boom for short durations. If you're only reefing for a short summer squall, I really don't see any need for lashing the sail at every reef point. On a longer duration passage, where the sail might be reeefed for several days, it would make sense to use the reefing ties properly.

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What are you using if they are permanent?

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Mine are tied in and I think they look good. I have yet to run into a disadvantage. And there is no digging in the locker looking for them when needed.
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Put them in trust me

It does not matter what they look like when the heat is on brought about by an intence low and you are on deck putting in a reef before she starts to really blow it is very very handy to have the ties in place. Trying to put them in is difficult when you are under pressure and whats more it can add to the danger level of being up front for tooooo long.
Make sure tho that the length of the ties can mean that they can be done up without being tight. If they are too tight you will have the cringles torn from the sail.
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