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Guys, go easy on the guy...he is not "that" wrong....wrong, but not tottaly.
But there is some truth in what he says, at least for us Portuguese, WHEN WE RELATE TO PORTUGUESE WORDS.
In the Maritime Museum of Lisbon, (Museu da marinha) there are old books about sailing, written by some of the navigators of then, dated back to the 1450's that say (by the way, Val did you see ths books??), that the Sailors started calling the Port side BOMBORDO, which in Portuguese means "good side", because they would see the land when going South (off course only valid when going down, not up), on that side, and because their chances of returning were pretty slim...
Also there are mentions to the ESTIBORDO, (starbord) in the books and they relate that to the fact they really called the side of the water, when going down the coast of Africa, the side where the stars were. Many historians here have proved that. Estibordo is a decay in the word Estrela (star) bordo (board).
Of course I have no idea how much that might have influenced the words in English, and the explanations I rread about the Vikings wording might be true. If not entirely true.
Looks like we might have paralell naming here. The Anglo Saxons on one side, the Portuguese on the other, both corrct in my opinion. At least ours I know it is as it is written in the books.
Now...the fact is...when the Portuguese (and the Spanish, because they did it too), started sailing, the English, French, Dutch etc. wer still not so much into sailing, so which words came first?????
The Vikings were also sailing pretty soon, but they were not masters at writting, and mostly, very few returned, as their boats would only sail downwind, going back with oars only.
I know that they are now showing evidence of the Vikings being what is now Northern Canada, and an expeditions that came all the way down as New England, but.....their problem is they never returned to the Mother land..
So this is an ambiguous debate.
In my Country, Bombordo (porbord) is because of the sailors sailing South, Estibordo (starboard) is because that was where the stars were, because when you look West, from my coast at night all you see ar ethe stars, really...
Yotphix, Board in Portuguese means "placa" but "placa is board like a ply wood board. Board in this case is "bordo", wich also means the side of the boat.