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JagsBch 07-08-2007 02:28 PM

Anchor's and engine block away?
 
Would it be a bad idea to attach two danforth anchors to a 40' chain in the direction of the tidal flow in a muddy creek, and at the center fo the chain shackle a 6' chain tied to a 6 cylinder engine block along with a chain tied to a moring ball for a 29' Islander.

sailingdog 07-08-2007 03:22 PM

Ummm.. that kind of rig would be really hard to set, without diving on it... and a royal PITA to retrieve. If you need a mooring for a 29' Islander, why not just use a standard three-anchor layout. Retrieving it and setting it is going to be far simpler.

Freesail99 07-08-2007 03:31 PM

What size Danforth ? I have either 35 or 43 pounders two of them.

Sapperwhite 07-08-2007 03:33 PM

There also may be an issue with oil contaminants if you just dump an old engine into the water. Even if you don't get caught by the EPA, DNR, or any other eviro-agency dumping an engine in the water, there could be a morals issue regarding possible pollution.

USCGRET1990 07-08-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JagsBch
Would it be a bad idea to attach two danforth anchors to a 40' chain in the direction of the tidal flow in a muddy creek, and at the center fo the chain shackle a 6' chain tied to a 6 cylinder engine block along with a chain tied to a moring ball for a 29' Islander.

As mentioned, if the block is clean and pretty much oil free, it will sink down into the mud and make a wonderful mooring anchor. With a good stout chain, I doubt any other anchors will be required. I know this from using mooring anchors in the muddy tributaries of the lower Chesapeake Bay area.

JagsBch 07-08-2007 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingdog
Ummm.. that kind of rig would be really hard to set, without diving on it... and a royal PITA to retrieve. If you need a mooring for a 29' Islander, why not just use a standard three-anchor layout. Retrieving it and setting it is going to be far simpler.

I only have one anchor @ the moment, 22 pounder, I was planning on buying a bigger anchor. I figured I would have to dive if trying to user 2 anchor method along with the Block. A friend has his boat moored using the Bahamian style, but he complains about it twisting up from swinging around. I want to do something permanent that I can avoid the twisting as the wind and current have there way with the boat.

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Originally Posted by Freesail99
What size Danforth ? I have either 35 or 43 pounders two of them.

I am wondering what size to buy to feel confident with out going too far overboard. I understand that for storm conditions I should go with an anchor one or two sizes larger, at the moment I believe the 22 pounder would be adequate for anchoring but I am feeling lost regarding the moring bit.


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Originally Posted by USCGRET1990
As mentioned, if the block is clean and pretty much oil free, it will sink down into the mud and make a wonderful mooring anchor. With a good stout chain, I doubt any other anchors will be required. I know this from using mooring anchors in the muddy tributaries of the lower Chesapeake Bay area.

Now I am wondering if I set the 22 lb anchor and then connect the end of the chain to the bock and then lower it while it is taunt to the bottom with the rope comimg off the end of the block and to a moring ball would work? It seems that if the block moved as the current took it towards the anchor it would defeat the purpose of the anchor if the block actually got dragged across the bottom towards it.

I just about got the block taken completely apart, there are still a few parts to be removed before I clean it. I have another 6 cylinder block to take apart and clean and stick down there as well. The father of a guy I work with happens to own a Junk Yard.

I really want to make sure that what ever I do, it will first be safe as well as being as environmentally friendly as possible. This will pretty much be an attempt at making a permanent moring spot. I figure at least one anchor would give me the assurance I need without the complications of having to dive in order to shackle together the set anchors over the block.

USCGRET1990 07-08-2007 05:37 PM

Like everything else, two blocks are better than one! If the block(s) sink into the mud as they should, then the chain can swing 360 deg. and not hang up on anything. This 360 swing is what you want. Any other anchors will inhibit this swing.

JimsCAL 07-08-2007 07:09 PM

Do you have something against a standard mushroom mooring? They work great in muddy bottoms and a lot easier to pull to check lower chain than what you propose.

JagsBch 07-08-2007 07:38 PM

Engine blocks are free, leaving me money to do other upgrades on the boat. If I can get 3 years service out of the mooring I will be stoked. The mooring is only 15 feet deep so diving down to check the chains when I am cleaning the bottom won't be a problem.

sailaway21 07-08-2007 11:55 PM

I used four five gallon pails with cement and chained them together. The more I read, the more I am coming to believe that a single mushroom anchor would have been easier, more effective, and easily retrievable by comparison. I was reading something on this the other day, but your pop quiz caught me out. I'll have to hit the reset button and come up with the literature for you. As I recall, I wouldn't have been out of pocket any more than my home-made efforts.


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