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7kts X 24 hours is 168 miles a day. I know this coast, your problem will not be big seas it will be fog and no wind. Thus the expect to motor a lot statement. If you get going and want to bail out, just jump ship at the next fuel stop, no big deal!

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7kts X 24 hours is 168 miles a day
that is not what I meant, I can multiply, and divide too, believe me

What I meant is that boat will do 7 knots top speed, and that with good winds and/or motor, so what I did was cut the best speed in half, and assumed that they would do an average of 3 to 3.5 knots. Thus the 70 miles per day. Unless they run the engine full power for 11 days (no one would do it), and / or the wind is pushing them at 7 knots for the whole time which will not do, according to you.

I don't think that boat will do more than 70 miles per day, maybe I wrote it bad, sory
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Id use 100 as a rule of thumb. The reason they will need to motor is that the winds, when they are there will be from the west to NW. If they are lucky they will get some sail time close hauled.
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I just looked this route up in "world cruising routes" and it says exactly what Im saying. northerly winds becalmed most of the time, lots of fog.
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I just looked this route up in "world cruising routes" and it says exactly what Im saying. northerly winds becalmed most of the time, lots of fog.
I've done it a couple of times, and becalmed is not the word I would have used. Generally 10-20 knots, with gust to 30, mostly from the North, with a fairly strong 3-5 knot current running against you. Lots of tacking, consistent 6-10 foot rollers and disappointingly slow progress. Not to mention the Columbia River Bar crossing at Astoria, deadly. Sure it would be a good experience for the OP, but with a questionable captain and an inexperienced crew, on an unknown boat? Nope, not me.

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Well this wasn't what I wanted to hear, but it's what I expected. The sea sickness thing I'm not too worried about, but perhaps I should be. I'm no stranger to the water (ocean and otherwise), but just most of it hasn't been on a sailboat. I have only gotten sick once, but I think that was more from a tight neck seal from a scuba drysuit, than it was from anything else. I appreciate everyone's input. Sounds like I should tell him I'm crazy, but not that crazy.
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Eclipse...the Cat30 is a MINIMAL boat for that stretch of coastline in my opinion. I'm guessing the owner has purchased this boat and wants to sail it north rather than having owned and taken care of it for years. If my guess is right, that makes the trip doubly dangerous. New owner+ new old boat with unknown problems. Does he have a liferaft and EPIRB already? What is his longest previous voyage in this boat? In any boat? When was the last time his fuel was polished? Does he know how to change his fuel filters and bleed the engine?
How long does HE expect the trip to take. Giu's estimate of 70 miles a day or so in a Cat 30 may be a little low, but I certainly wouldn't plan on more than 100.

I think I would take a chance on the boat if I were young and adventurous with no responsibilities. But I wouldn't chance the voyage with THIS captain based on what you've said so far about him. You need to ask him alot of questions!!
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I've done it a couple of times, and becalmed is not the word I would have used. Generally 10-20 knots, with gust to 30, mostly from the North, with a fairly strong 3-5 knot current running against you. Lots of tacking, consistent 6-10 foot rollers and disappointingly slow progress. Not to mention the Columbia River Bar crossing at Astoria, deadly. Sure it would be a good experience for the OP, but with a questionable captain and an inexperienced crew, on an unknown boat? Nope, not me.
Ive never seen the current break 2.5 and people cross the bar daily. I don't know when you did this trip but summer conditions are almost always calm. 30kt winds? Very unlikely. People cross the bar daily, only in storms is it deadly.
You can take the word of someone who fished this strech of water full time for three years and who "world crusing routes" just happens to agree with or you can be scared off by people that seldom if ever heve been there.
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Umm... I don't think this is such a good idea for your first major voyage for several reasons.

First, you don't know how you will react to being on a larger boat on the ocean. Being on a Sunfish on a lake is not like being in 8-10' seas on the ocean—nothing at all like it.

Second, a Catalina 30, while a nice boat and all, isn't really a good boat for a relatively difficult sail up the west coast of the USA.

Third, if the weather goes to hell, you're basically up against a really large stretch of very inhospitable shoreline with very few places that you can hide.

Fourth, Giu's point about how much distance the boat will go is a very valid one. Say it can motor at 6 knots... since motoring at hull speed would burn through fuel pretty quickly. I doubt that you'll be motoring 24x7 and any headwind or adverse current is going to reduce the distance you can travel in a day. You'd be very lucky to make 100 nm per day.

Finally, the Coast Pilot for the area says that in July, August and September, the average wind speeds is 9-11 knots, with the bulk of the winds out of the NW or WNW. If it is WNW, then, not a big deal, as you can sail on a close reach... but if it is out of the NW, then you'll be beating most of the way... which will almost double the distance you have to travel. (Yes, I know you technically wouldn't double the distance, but given everything overall... it's not too far off the mark to say that.)

One other question—how well is this boat equipped? Does it have an EPIRB, a liferaft, an SSB-radio, a satellite phone, a wind vane, an autopilot, a backup autopilot???
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I wouldn't for the reasons stated, but also because I agree that the Catalina 30 is too light, too open below, has too little tankage and a freakishly large companionway opening that has always given me pause, quite frankly.

If you have to motor, you'd have to refuel enroute more than once, which means jerry cans below. Why? You don't want to increase the center of gravity on a Catalina 30 any more than it already is by lashing 20 gallons of diesel to the mast. Jerrycans and diesel smell below increase the puke factor greatly.

I just don't think it's the right boat to go out of sight of land. It has many fine qualities, I know, and is "popular" and all that, but I've seen people get thrown around on them in Lake Ontario.

This would go for any ocean where the crossing would exceed any sort of reliable forecast and where the "outs" or easily accessible and protected harbours seem few and far between. All I know from the area is what I've read from the voyages of Captain Vancouver, but it seems a fairly hostile lee shore for a small coastal boat.

I just went with Alex, yes, but I had a good "feel" about his boat and his abilities, and was not disappointed. But our journey was two days and his boat easily made 10 knots. A Catalina on a reach will do 6 and a bit, but will heel a lot past 25 knots and six feet of waves. I won't even get into the absence of decent stanchions, lifelines or other ocean-grade safety gear.
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