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Isn't that a navagational hazard and worthy of a security alert call


Neither boat is on the move, therefore, as I understand it there is no reason to put out a Pan Pan. Like I said, I did go around and let all the folks in this area know about it so they could make sure they were ready for trouble should something come their way.
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I just hailed my good buddies over at Tow Boat US again, and they will send someone over in the next 45 minutes to get a visual on the boat and hope that will jog someones memory and they will be able to locate the owner's name and number from their records.

Last night, Skip said he thought that a responsible boat owner who could not visit their anchored boat each day and check on it, would at least put their phone number on the boat so if something were to happen, others would have a way of reaching them. You would think.
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And folks wonder why there's so much restriction on anchoring. When these boats cause damage to some local VIP you can count on more aggressive police activity and possibly more restrictions on cruisers. Everyone else will pay for the irresponsible boat bums.

When people talk about wanting to take action regarding anchoring rights, they should be taking action against boat bums.
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I'd say it's a navigational hazard if it keeps coming off its anchor and bumping into things.

If push comes to shove and they can't find the owner, lay claim to the hulk and sell it on ebay.
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My Evil Twin Brother sends you his regards, and says calling the newspaper is almost the right thing to do. Have someone ELSE call the newspaper, and ask if they'd heard that all these agencies are passing the buck and allowing an environmental disaster to happen.

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No engine does not mean "no oil, no fuel, no thinners on board". A genset with fuel or a couple of kerosene lanterns below could still qualify as a spill, the criteria is literally "any visible shine" on the water. But as Xort says, now you see why towns have overreacted with anchoring ordinances, formal mooring fields, etc. so they do in fact have legal jurisdiction and the ability to do something. Being in an area where there's no "zoning" laws, so to speak, has its pros and cons.

Stick an alarm clock and some highway flares in their cockpit, wrapped up with duct tape. Call Homeland Security and sell the video the Evening Nooze, those boats will be GONE FAST.< G >
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I just hailed my good buddies over at Tow Boat US again, and they will send someone over in the next 45 minutes to get a visual on the boat and hope that will jog someones memory and they will be able to locate the owner's name and number from their records.
They may be your good buddies but I know I wouldn't trust them to make any type of judgement call after what I saw play out a few years ago on Block Island RI. A boat anchored near me with nobody on board (just like half the boats anchored in the Great Salt Pond on a Sat afternoon) was dragged down on by a large boat with the skipper also among the missing. A clueless woman came out of the large dragger and did nothing. The Tow Boat ended up towing away the dragee (still holding fine) instead of the dragger amid the protests of myself and everybody else in ear and eyeshot and ended up chasing the dragee for charges. I ended up having to send in a written explaination totally against the Tow Boats handling of the situation.
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Stick an alarm clock and some highway flares in their cockpit, wrapped up with duct tape. Call Homeland Security and sell the video the Evening Nooze, those boats will be GONE FAST.< G >
Or just tell them that you saw two strange women in Burkhas visiting the boat only at night.
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If the boat is under 30 feet I would probably get some help, untangle some of the mess, pull the offending boat back to where it was anchored in the beginning, and use the biggest spare anchor I could find to re-anchor it. Then I would stuff a note into the boat saying what had happened and how much trouble the boat had caused. Then put a note into the other boat involved telling them what happened to their boat and why it was so scuffed up.

Because that's what I would want somebody to do if it were my boat.

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Xort says; And folks wonder why there's so much restriction on anchoring. When these boats cause damage to some local VIP you can count on more aggressive police activity and possibly more restrictions on cruisers. Everyone else will pay for the irresponsible boat bums.

When people talk about wanting to take action regarding anchoring rights, they should be taking action against boat bums.

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I could not agree with you more Xort. I feel as if I cause more harm than good to cruisers if I complain about these guys. The powers that be seem to just add additional charges to us thinking that is going to make a difference. If you can't afford it, you will go somewhere else. That's not how it works though. These people use this anchorage as free wet storage, therefore, no additional charges at the dingy dock or the marina are going to effect them one way or the other. Instead, I pay $180.00/mo. for dingy dockage. Were is the logic. Please someone tell me.

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Kathleen,

I will tell you what I would do... but this is not necessarily the "right" thing to do. I have done similair things in the past, in Florida of all places, incidentally (with one of them being an old POS Chris Craft). Here is what I would do:

I would board the boats, untangle them, and re-set the anchors.

If anyone ever came back and said, "Well, ole CD screwed up my good anchorage and he is at fault... (blah, blah, blah), I would show them the pics of the two intertwined and explain the Good Samaritan Rule (which probably is not applicable on water).

I would do my best to save the boats... or at least stand off their eventual demise. I have done it before. I would do it again.

The argument could come up that by doing so, you have taken responsibility for the boats... you could argue that you made every attempt to get the authorities to take responsibility and no one would so you were trying to save life and limb and property. If the vessel breaks free and hits your boat, who really knows what damage it might cause to you and your family? You are acting to save yourself and to protect the waterways. After all, it is just now starting to gear up for Hurricane Season. Take the advice from someone that has weathered many: It is the boats around you that will bring you down... not your ineptitude.

Just my opinion as a nieve good Samaritan.

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