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'Christy Leigh' I only contacted Tow Boat because they must have a record of the owner because they were the ones that brought it here. I am hoping to get name and phone number so the owner can be made aware of his problem.. Another neighbor has told me they were able to contact the other boats watch person and he said he would come right over. Apparently that call was made at 8 am this morning. Love how he is jumping on that. This is the guy who is suppose to be watching and working on the boat that was hit. It has lost all portholes on the starboard side, and there is a bunch of big scrapes, not to mention I believe he has also dragged a bit to the north.

Hello Sailor says; Stick an alarm clock and some highway flares in their cockpit, wrapped up with duct tape. Call Homeland Security and sell the video the Evening Nooze, those boats will be GONE FAST.< G >
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I'll bet you that would be affective. When I called DPR, EPA, Marine Patrol, Sherriff office, when the power boat was going down last month with 150 gallons of old fuel on board, NOT A DAMN PERSON SHOWED UP. We have so many turtles, dolphins, manatees and other marine life here, it makes me sick.

Wind Magic, Let me ask you this question. Is it not true the last one who sets the anchor is responsible for what ever happens next? If I could find a workboat to tow it back where it was, about 1/4 of a mile south of me, and reset the anchor; assuming it has bad gear and it breaks loose again in a day or a week, am I responsible for any damage it causes? I have heard that I would be, and therefore I have concerns about this. Not to mention all I have is an inflatable with a 2 and a half hp/ 4 stroke. Not exactly what is needed to move this boat and reanchor it.
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Your primary responsibility IMHO is to your boat...and keeping it safe... so unless you have some really important reason for staying in that particular anchorage... I would recommend you move on for the duration. Once these two disasters in waiting are dealt with, go back.

Calling the USCG and the local media are probably both good ideas, especially in that order, since if the USCG decides to do nothing, you can tell the media about it.

Just because the boats are engineless, doesn't really mean that they wouldn't be a pollution hazard if they sank, as HS has pointed out. You don't know what else they have aboard... if they have a single can of WD40, that would still be capable of creating a very large slick. Also, if they sink, they will be a hazard to navigation. If they break free, they will be a hazard to navigation.

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Cruising Dad, Thanks I really appreciate it. I, by myself will not be able to do it, and as I look around there is really no one else about. However, Skip called to check on things and tells me that if no one does the right thing by the time he gets home, something will be done to remedy the situation. Funny you should mention pics, I just took a few. As for what Skip has plans, I thought better than to ask. Time will tell.
I really appreciate all of you jumping to my aid the way you have and you have all given me good ideas. Thank you very much. I will let you know how it all turns out. Though if I use Hello Sailors idea, I may be quite ambiguous about the whole thing.
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Wind Magic, Let me ask you this question. Is it not true the last one who sets the anchor is responsible for what ever happens next? If I could find a workboat to tow it back where it was, about 1/4 of a mile south of me, and reset the anchor; assuming it has bad gear and it breaks loose again in a day or a week, am I responsible for any damage it causes? I have heard that I would be, and therefore I have concerns about this. Not to mention all I have is an inflatable with a 2 and a half hp/ 4 stroke. Not exactly what is needed to move this boat and reanchor it.
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I reccomended that actually. I do not know all the rules, honestly. I am sure there is some BS rule about how you reset an anchor trying to save a boat(s) and it ends up sinking anyways and it is your fault. Kinda like helping the guy who has a heart attack and he dies anyways and you are the reason he ate all those french fries all those years. THis is the USA, after all. I am not telling you what you need to do... I am telling you what I would do.

I would do it because it is the RIGHT thing to do, not because it is the best legalistic thing to do. But I have been burnt by people many times for trying to do the right thing and treading down a road eveyone else was scared to walk. THat is just me, and always will be.

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WHERE DO YOU GUYS FIND THIS STUFF???!!??? HAHAHHAHA! (probably aimed at me, but still quite funny).

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Kathleen, in this litigious society, even if there was a "good samaritan" law in Florida that ensured you were not responsible, anyone can still sue you and then you have to show up in court and pay a lawyer and...does the phrase "tar baby" mean anything?

Same thing or worse if you hire someone else to move the boat, they will claim they were your agent and now the suit goes three ways.

One particularly astute US Supreme Court justice named Learned Hand (honest) once remarked that if you give a man no recourse within the law, you can't be surprised when he goes outside of it.

Or, as Hardy told Laurel so many times, "Well, that's another fine mess you've gotten us into, Stanley."
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If you're going to move/re-anchor the boats get plenty of pix and get plenty of hands to participate so that blame goes around to plenty of people. And get documentation that none of the gov't agencies would help.
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Move your boat out of harm's way. That's your only responsibility. And, if you don't, YOU are the only one to blame. "Medical" stuff or not, move your boat!

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I thought you would jump in on this one, Bill (smile).

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