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Regardless of how well or poorly Mr. Smith's anchors hold, or how many test reports he has posted in the past, I would rather keep what has worked for me, or choose another anchor if I had the need, over selecting his products.

His marketing approach by hi-jacking threads, is comparable to telemarketers who choose to call during dinner hour, or their spammer relatives who relentlessly clog forums and our email inboxes with their uninvited solicitations.
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Even with different names, they are similar to the Danforth and CQR, aren't they?
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Very similar. The English term is "knock-off". A less common knock-off is of the Bruce anchor, a non-articulating plow type. A real Bruce is forged, not cast, and is expensive, but in certain conditions is a very nice anchor to have.

The CQR gets its name in English because it sounds like "secure" when you run the letters together...a subtlety a Portuguese English speaker might not have immediately "heard".

We English-speakers are constantly fooling around with our own language. It's amazing anyone else bothers to learn it, really.

You and "Mr. Lead Head" should speak English to each other occasionally, just so he can get some practice. He's surprisingly good, considering he doesn't get the opportunity you get travelling on business. Fred's English is unbelievable, and even Giulietta's is pretty good. The thing that amazes me is how "light" their accents are...you know I know a Portuguese accent when I hear it, and Fred sounds like a Canadian kid half the time. It's only when he hits an unfamiliar or strangely-spelled word in English that I can hear the innately Portuguese element in his pronounciation.

But I digress...(I am waiting for a client to call so I can finish my job and go sailing...you know how this is.)
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His marketing approach by hi-jacking threads, is comparable to telemarketers who choose to call during dinner hour, or their spammer relatives who relentlessly clog forums and our email inboxes with their uninvited solicitations.
Umm... I think this may be a tad unfair. While I don't know anything about Mr. Smith's anchors, his previous posts, or Mr. Smith for that matter, it would appear he was practically invited into this particular thread by Giu in the very second post to this thread. I wouldn't classify that as a hi-jack but a direct response.

I would ask... is there any reliable, independent test results out there that cover all of these types of anchors and conditions? Wouldn't this already have been a subject of extensive tests at Practical Sailor? I'm still pretty much a N00b, and between boats at that, but it would seem there should be some pretty sound test results out there... independent, unsponsored tests.
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One of the major sail mags recently did a piece on comparing anchors, but comparative tests are only as good as the test conditions (i.e. if they only tested in mud, it doesn't help you if you normally anchor in a rocky cove...). I believe it prompted a 'interesting' thread in this site. I recommend doing a search of this site for the threads about anchors. I think the 'debating' really does a better job of exploring the pros and cons of each anchor. If you can get through the personal attacks and the 'paid advertising', I think you may find your answer.
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I'll be as repetitious as Mr. Smith is in hawking his products, by repeating two forum rules he breaches with each of his 71 posts -

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You may think I'm a "tad unfair", but in my opinion his constant anchor bashing to promote his anchors gets a tad tiresome.
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The gist of this tandem anchoring is that you need to pick your anchors carefully and deploy them when you need them. I can see where it will work and there are a few places that stream mooring (an anchor out fore & aft) would be better, or two anchors set at a 45 degree angle.
Judging what method of anchoring you will use will come from experience and discussing the methods on sites like this with other sailors and find out what they have experienced. The main thing is to keep and open mind and an eye on the weather/tidal patterns where you are at.
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With respect to the tandem anchoring technique in the OP, this article was essentially lifted from chapter 6 (pg 173-174) of the Voyager's Handbook second edition; "Some situations demand extra holding power, more than can be supplied by the primary anchor. This can be the case in some crowded Mediterranean anchorages, where it is not possible to put out adequate scope for the conditions. It can also be the case on a bottom with poor holding or in very high winds. In these situations, setting two anchors in tandem on the same rode provides additional holding power and will keep the primary anchor from dragging." ... "Tandem anchors are a common solution in Chile where high winds and rocky, kelp-covered bottoms cause anchors that have worked successfully everyplace else to drag".

I initially found the description of this technique in the book confusing, and had to re-read it several times before I understood. Seeing it again in CW reinforced the idea.

Alex's illustration, and explination were far clearer than those in either the Voyager's Handbook, or CW. Maybe he should be a consultant on the next version?

Finally, and I don't like going here, by stating that anyone's practice (never mind two well respected authors);
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is incredibly ignorant and should be condemned. I cannot state this point forcefully enough.
is the beginning of another pissing contest...

The OP asked if anyone had experience with the tandem anchoring technique. Alex stated that he did have experience with this technique, and he explained it very well.

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I just looked at Alex's diagram again and noticed one difference between his technique, and that of the Voyager's Handbook. The connection between anchors in Alex's description is rope, and that in the VH (and CW) is chain and shackles. There is a rope on the Danforth, but it is only used for retrieving the danforth after the main is secure.
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I just looked at Alex's diagram again and noticed one difference between his technique, and that of the Voyager's Handbook. The connection between anchors in Alex's description is rope, and that in the VH (and CW) is chain and shackles. There is a rope on the Danforth, but it is only used for retrieving the danforth after the main is secure.
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Long time ago, I used a chain also, and stopped using it, because first it was more weight I had to pull, remeber main anchor the motor pulls, the first, Alex does.... to attach and remove was a pain in the neck (I just do a quick bowline, which is fast, easy, secure, easy to remove and helps if you don't have time), because I needed to attach the shackle ( right name??), pulling anchor was slippery, and storing was messy.

If it was a permanent mooring, yes, for the time I am anchored 3 to 4 days, the rope is fine..Its not the floating rope, ok??

By the way, I am very aware of the 45º Double anchor, but here with the boat swinging twice a day from east to west, the anchors, if not set at exact lenghts (difficult to do), start approaching each other, as one holds one drags etc. and end up being worse, as that arrangement here ends up in a tangled mess. BY EXPERIENCE...
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