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I know this is an old thread, but since I'm new and asking questions.. I will ask.

Some folks are saying don't add such things to small boats.

Is there some 'size limit' where having a wheel and pedestal is optimum for boat performance then?

I've seen boats that are 25 or 26 feet with wheels and with tillers. What is the reason? (Same kind of boat, but don't ask me what it was I don't remember)
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For performance? It only helps that you "feel" the rudder better with a tiller. The boat doesn't care. Some boats have much more helm "feel" than others. Great for short races or keel hung rudders. It's all about convenience on cruisers. You can get mighty tired holding (aka "battling") the tiller in a wet and cold cockpit of a beamy boat with a spade rudder; especially on a reach.

Some boats just track well and some don't. A tiller on a well balanced boat that tracks well is a lovely thing. If you are fighting it constantly on a boat that wants to broach and round up it is a misery. If you're willing to reef or work at the sail trim it's not so bad, but most of us are lazy and/or take the lifts on gusty days as they come along..
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RACE A J24 for 6-1/2 hours with a peak wind of over 20 knots and that wheel starts looking better all the time
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RACE A J24 for 6-1/2 hours with a peak wind of over 20 knots and that wheel starts looking better all the time
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If the boat was designed for tiller and had a wheel retrofitted, the balance of the boat may often be a bit off, since the pedestal and wheel add quite a bit of weight aft. Also, many cockpit soles are designed to take the strains that a steering pedestal will put on them, and as such will either need to be reinforced (if the job was done properly) or will have some serious issues in the long run (if they skimped on the installation).

Boats that are aimed towards more traditional sailors will often have a tiller. Boats that are aimed towards powerboat and novice sailors will often have a wheel, since a wheel is much more familiar to novice sailors and powerboaters. Sailors who came up through the dinghy ranks are used to tillers and have little or no problem using them.

For example: The MacGregor 26 has a wheel, and is designed as a hybrid—part sailboat, part powerboat, lousy at both IMHO. The Etchells 30 is basically a 30' keelboat that acts much like an oversized racing dinghy... and is tiller steered.

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I know this is an old thread, but since I'm new and asking questions.. I will ask.

Some folks are saying don't add such things to small boats.

Is there some 'size limit' where having a wheel and pedestal is optimum for boat performance then?

I've seen boats that are 25 or 26 feet with wheels and with tillers. What is the reason? (Same kind of boat, but don't ask me what it was I don't remember)
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For example: The MacGregor 26 has a wheel, and is designed as a hybrid—part sailboat, part powerboat, lousy at both IMHO. The Etchells 30 is basically a 30' keelboat that acts much like an oversized racing dinghy... and is tiller steered.
Cool. That's kind of what I was looking for.

Mine's got a tiller
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Well, TECHNICALLY, no boat. Until Saturday.

We're picking up a "practice boat" Saturday morning, doing some work on it and putting it in a lake in the spring after we finish some classes.

The boat is a 1979 MacGregor Venture 25. It needs a bit of work, but it's intact and pretty clean.. ok, well, a bachelor owned it, it needs cleaning too... but it's in sailable condition right now. It's just getting to the point here in Colorado I don't think I want to take it out just yet.

As I pointed out in my sign in message, I am not a sailor (and I think I mentioned that in some other messages too....) - I'm an "Airman" - or was, retired. I've been around boats a lot - and been on sailboats, but never actually sailed one. There's some more information in the introduction forum in my thread I started.
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I have sailed a couple older Pearson's 28"s that were converted to wheels. Both used a hydraulic conversion. It was very sloppy steering. I would recommend a chain and cable system.
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