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Old 09-24-2007
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Any Nonsuch (or former?) Owners

I'm interested in a Nonsuch 36, but I've been told by a NON-nonsuch owner they don't sail well to weather, I've spoken to a few nonsuch owners in the past, all of whom LOVE their boats, but I didn't ask about pointing ability specifically. Are there any current (or maybe even better - former) nonsuch owners that could clue me in? Thanks.
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I don't own one but I sail with some 30's and 36's out of our marina. They do not point quite as well as performance sloop, but they are much better than many other boats out there. They are fast boats, all things considered. In the unlikely event that I decide to trade up one day - I will probably buy one.
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I owned a 30 for several years and the question to be considered is what comparisons are being made when you talk about pointing ability. They do not point as high as a good sloop and for maximum VMG you probably do not want to try to pinch up with one. Best speed to windward is made by cracking off a few degrees and letting the boats natural speed takeover. For cruising purposes they go to weather quite well - they also do fine for white sail, beer races.

I agree with Sailormann, they are very good boats indeed for other than extended offshore use.
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They don't do well to weather compared to a sloop but they do extremely well on downwind legs. I have a friend who races one here in NC and always does well thanks to the downwind performance (and the PHRF!).
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I had a 36 for years (#8), and like any catboat, it does not sail very close to the wind. However, the ease of sailing this boat and the speed on a reach more than make up for it. It is a great cruising boat. Welcome III
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The common comment I hear about these boats is that they are a way to sneak 38 feet of cabin into a 30 foot hull (adjust numbers to scale). They are excellent lake and coastal cruisers and don't point any worse than a ketch, but if you buy a Nonsuch, what the hell are you doing racing anyway? They will smoke a lot of sloops of similar size going downwind, naturally (given that vast sail), and spouses/girlfriends/SOs like them because they are easy to handle and steer.

Mostly, people seem to talk about the huge cabins.
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IIRC, a recent issue of Living Aboard magazine had an article on the Nonsuch series of boats.
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I like catboats, generally, and have always been interested in the Nonsuch. I have heard that a 30 is like a 36 foot sloop inside. Wouldn't be my first choice if I was interested in racing but once the sail is up it is easy to handle/single hand. Also, probably not as much heeling, for those who don't care for it.
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They were made with balsa cored hulls, I believe, so be sure to do a haul out and check that thoroughly. The single sail makes tacking simple but it must be a bear to get that monster up. An electric winch would be a nice feature.
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I agree with the comment about an electric halyard winch for a 36 - it is a lot of sail to haul up.

The only hull core problems I am aware of (they are rare) is when someone added a rubbing strake and did not do it correctly. Deck core problems are much more common though. If they involve large areas they can be a significant problem.
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