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The water level drop this week in Lakes St. Clair and Eerie are more likely due to reduced supply from Lake Huron. We've seen the level drop at least six inches at the south end of the lake over tha past week. Winds out of the south, up to 30 kts, are blowing the water to the north end of the lake.
Ah HAH! I hadn't considered that. The Admiral insisted the water level dropped in our canal with the wind out of the south. I insisted it must raise, because the water would be pushed up to our end. But if all of Lake St. Clairs level dropped because of reduced supply from Lake Huron (and points north), well...

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Good news: it should come back, most of it anyhow, as soon as the wind changes.
While that would be A Very Good Thing, it doesn't much matter to us anymore. With permission from the club manager and the fleet captain, we've moved over to a vacated slip on the river. Yesterday was probably our last sail. (Unless there's good weather and I take a day off during the week.) Next Sunday the mast comes down and the Saturday following is haul-out day.

In fact: We're just leaving to double-check on how she's tied-up in her new berth (particularly with the high winds we're having today) and we'll probably take a bunch of stuff off while we're there. The heavy Genoa, the #3 and the shore power cord came home with us last night. (I didn't see the point in going to the trouble to re-rig shore power when we were just going to be taking it up in two weeks, anyway. The batteries did fine w/o shore power for her first two weeks of new ownership under us.)

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The reason East Erie lake doesn't have any water is because of the earth turning at a higher rate and causing the global warming due to air friction and the water is sliding west to because of the Coriolis effect.
Thus after this statistical Babel you will see that you are on the wrong side of the lake. Plus that missing wind indicator has punched a hole in the bottom of the lake and you have a slow leak.

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It's happening everywhere. Here in Florida, the lakes are drying up- hell, even the Okeechobee waterway has beome grasslands in parts. I just hope the ocean I am parked on doesn't start drying up, too. My Windex was destroyed by a hateful Egret, but landed in the cockpit, so it did not puncture a hole in the ocean.
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I attended a presentation by the ACE on great lakes levels.
There is a long term cycle of 150 years and a 30 year cycle that runs within the 150. The presentation showed the average of the 30 year cycles and then overlaid the current situation. The graphs matched exactly. So we are exactly following the 30 year average. The good news is that the graph showed a steady increase of levels projected over the next 7 years!
The fly in the soup is that the St Clair River is deeper than ever and so allowing extra flow. They are looking at fixes to the St Clair River.
Most of the record low levels were set during the dust bowl years.

There are 2 diversions from north of Lake Superior that are feeding water into Superior instead of into Hudson Bay. Those diversions equal all other diversions out of the Great Lakes except the Welland canal, which is a huge diversion.
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The only dredging being done on the Great Lakes is to existing waterways and is not being done, nor is capable of being done, to accomodate larger ocean craft. The lakes have been low for some time and the extremely dry winter last coupled with a very dry spring and summer have caused the water table to drop even further. I've observed a number of older wells where the water is as low as it has ever been within them. The good news is that the water table rebounds and the entire process is cyclical.

The recharge to aquifers, and the lakes by extension, in the Great Lakes region dwarfs water withdrawals. We're not running out of water and it wasn't that long ago (1970-80's) that all the cottages were falling into Lake Michigan because of the high water levels.

For what it's worth, the Welland Canal is the limiting factor on ocean going vessels entering the Great Lakes. With a controlling depth of 28 feet fresh water, which produces an average salt water draft of 27'-02", the Great Lakes are not a viable economic port of entry for deep sea trade. The Mississippi to New Orleans is much more viable via tug and barge.

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I sort of watched a TV program on this the other night. The dredging that people seem to be referring to in the St. Clair happened several years ago, when it was anticipated that the harbour there would need to be able to handle larger ships. I think it was in the neighbourhood of 30 years ago - but am not certain.

The bigger ships never materalised.

The theory that they were espousing seemed to be that the dredging had exposed less stable ground underneath, which is eroding more quickly than the layer that had been there previously did.

So there is a movement afoot to try to either replace the layer that was removed, or set up some type of sluiceway to try to limit the egress from the northern lakes.

However, as always, I prefer to think the loss of water is due to a Republican conspiracy
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we got some of it, we'll be sending it via hefty bags.

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We are on Lake Ontario and the water level is low but we are not at our lowest ever level. Our level usually drops about 3 ft during the season, usually as a result of water being drained at the East end for commercial shipping in the Montreal area.
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The reversal of the Chicago River and creation of the Chicago Ship and Sanitary Canal in 1900 has water flowing out of the Great Lakes basin through the Mississippi River system and ultimately to the Gulf of Mexico. In fact, the reversal of the Chicago River accounts for approximately 2.1 billion gallons of water drained from the Great Lakes every single day!

Don't forget, more than 25 million people depend on withdrawals from the Great Lakes for drinking water. Chicago alone processes one billion gallons of Great Lakes water for human use each day. Lake Michigan water withdrawals account for nearly half of all the water taekn from the Great Lakes each year.

While withdrawals are not alarmingly higher this year, they do account for a lot of water loss in the Great Lakes.

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In fact, the reversal of the Chicago River accounts for approximately 2.1 gallons of water drained from the Great Lakes every single day!
2.1 gallons?!?! Per day?!?! We need to put a stop to that!



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