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Gasp... did CD suggest a boat other than a Catalina... Say it ain't so.
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Mike,

It is the wrong boat. Sorry. Buy a Tayana 37 for that run. It will not be much more money upfront and the in the end will likely be less money.

People have done it... it has been done many times. If you are serious that this is the only boat you would consider doing it, I will put some thought into it. I just hope it is not intended to be an academic excercise on my part. WHy THAT boat?? 80's-90's will get you a T-37 that will be close to making that trip and outfitting a c36 at 60k may cost you more than that.

I am not trying to be difficult, honetsly. I am just trying to understand. PM me if you would like or we can discuss over the phone.

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Sorry. There are at least 50 of these for sale, most with offshore gear. Nada gives 49150 for an 84 Tayana plus an allowance for gear. Some I know have been on the market for a couple of years. Top condition, new motor still major negotiation.
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Valiente, Thanks for the input. Yes, heavy boat 33K hanging on the straps.

That's incredible. I have (as mentioned elsewhere) a steel 40 footer cutter with vast tankage that weighs 29,500 lbs. in the straps. The boat beside me in the yard is a Tayana 45, and while you wouldn't think a steel tank like mine would have anything to worry about, but I wish it wasn't upwind of me when those winter gales start blowing. It's the only boat heavy enough to crush mine like a pop can if its cradle failed.

Of course, my full keel might act like a wedge...
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Umm... valiente, you're steel beastie is a bit heavier in construction than a pop can. Besides, isn't that what insurance is for???

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Sorry. There are at least 50 of these for sale, most with offshore gear. Nada gives 49150 for an 84 Tayana plus an allowance for gear. Some I know have been on the market for a couple of years. Top condition, new motor still major negotiation.
Yes, but I consider Tayanas in good condition like Bayfields or Gozzards: Sentiment and pure esthetics mean that a boat in prime condition can command a bigger premium than the average, whereas a stock Hunter 33 is going to "trade", so to speak, in a more narrow range.

If people want them, it's what the market will bear (look at used Shearwater 45s, I know I have...). If they don't, get out the 30% off signs. C&C 35s command a premium locally, because they hit a known sweet spot of size, comfort, speed and "fun", even though they are 20-30 years old now and frequently have sodden decks and tired stays.

My own boat is unusual enough that I bought it at a discount to what I could get for it in, for instance, Europe, where unrusted steel pilothouses are understood and desirable. This difference is profound enough that it would be worth it to sail it to Europe emptied of personal possessions and selected gear and to sail it to a brokerage in France or Holland. The tax implications of this are unclear as of yet, but I've had inquiries here in Canada from visiting Europeans enough to convince me it's not a crazy notion.

I suppose the only upside to owning a boat that doesn't sell is that you may just give up and sail the thing for its intended purpose. Worse outcomes are conceivable.
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Chris...NADA means "NADA" when it comes to pricing boats. They are really not even a great indicator on cars...but closer. The BUC book is closer and for a T37 1984 boat in AVERAGE BUC condition here is their range:
Retail Price Range:* $72,200-$79,400
Please see the vessel condition table below, to determine how condition affects market value.
A boat in top BUC condition adds 15-20% .
www.bucvalue.com is a better site to use when evaluating prices of boats with reasonable production runs. It fails miserably on short production or custome boats.
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Umm... valiente, you're steel beastie is a bit heavier in construction than a pop can. Besides, isn't that what insurance is for???
I've already come as close to testing my "durability of steel" theories this year as I care to (see below) My boat's insured for $25,000 more than we paid for her, but to build a copy would cost about $400,000...no thanks.


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Next year, I guess you'll have to see how Alchemy does as an Icebreaker.

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It's important to really assess what you are going to do with the boat. I know numerous people who have spent a fortune on an offshore boat only to find they did not like "offshore" for one of many reasons.

A Catalina 36 is certainly capable of what 99% of sailors do.
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