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You are all very funny.....

do me a favour, will ya??

go to search in advanced bar type:wyoming, casper, and douglas....

see the dates....and a hint...I work in the Power business...

Now piss off....

Bob....you joined Sailnet in June....see what's from March 2007....
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You are all very funny.....
do me a favour, will ya??
go to search in advanced bar type:wyoming, casper, and douglas....
see the dates....and a hint...I work in the Power business...
Now piss off....
Bob....you joined Sailnet in June....see what's from March 2007....
Mwahhaaahaaa. That's pretty funny. SOME people call it the Ends of the Earth. I call it home. Piss off yerself, G. I don't laugh at Portugese mountaineers, even tho your tallest hill is 300 meters lower than my toilet seat....

Next time y'all are bobbing around wishing for wind, know a few crazy bastards in Wyoming have the rail buried in whatever tiny frigid alkalai lake we can find. Yeah, it was minus eleven F here last night. You just wait until June, when the ice melts again.... We will go sailing!

(FWIW, even Wyomingites consider Douglas dull. That's saying sumthin.)

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One of the solutions wind power proponents have is that you put enough installations across a wide enough geographic area so that there never is a serious or persistent wind shortage. "It's always windy somewhere." The key is to feed a shared grid, not to rely on one installation to provide power only to its immediate vicinity. And if solar is part of the mix, then you hopefully have sunshine somewhere when the wind's not blowing, and conversely wind when the weather is cloudy.
I agree. It's my key to running a home stereo system in the Southern Ocean....

My comment was addressing the main knock against wind systems: I don't think they should ever feed into the main power grid UNTIL they have "banked" in some form or another enough of a surplus to guarantee a steady "feed" from some form of co-generative capacity.

I suppose if you built a wind farm beside a huge organic landfill, you could mine methane on calm days...
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I like them. I like the way they look. They are new looking, but certainly not ugly. My retirement property is on Lake Huron, and there are a few turbines about a half hour south of me. I find that far preferable to the nuclear plant that is about an hour south of me.

I had not realised that there was a lot of opposition to them on the part of landowners. There is a section in our municipal Zoning Bylaw encouraging them.

But then, the Georgian Bay crowd has always been a little "arriviste" I guess.....
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I like them. I like the way they look. They are new looking, but certainly not ugly. My retirement property is on Lake Huron, and there are a few turbines about a half hour south of me. I find that far preferable to the nuclear plant that is about an hour south of me.

I had not realised that there was a lot of opposition to them on the part of landowners. There is a section in our municipal Zoning Bylaw encouraging them.

But then, the Georgian Bay crowd has always been a little "arriviste" I guess.....
A major wind farm planned at Collingwood, Blue Highlands, was vigorously opposed by residents (read: ski chalet owners) and was abandoned in the planning stages. Cottage owners along the Tiny shore of Nottawasaga have been fighting the Robitaille wind farm project, and got pretty exercised when they heard Beausoleil First Nation was thinking about turning Christian Island into a wind park. Cottagers near Parry Sound have been fighting a wind park project on Parry Island being pursued by the Wausasking First Nation. One cottager told the local paper that his property values would plunge $300,000 as soon as the towers were built. I find this "property value" argument rather galling. If you know anything about land treaties in Ontario, you'd know how shockingly ripped off the bands were by the Williams and Robinson treaties in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The land the govt pretty much stole from them was then sold off for cottage development. The bands lost more land when it was expropriated for railway development. (There's an unresolved land claim by the Henvey First Nation for a chunk along the south shore of the Key River, expropriated for a railway port that was never built. The govt then just sold it to cottagers.) Now the Wausasking want to put up some wind generators and the cottage gentry are whining about their property values. I should write, "Don't get me started," but it's too late...
Much thanks to all for their thoughtful input.

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Tons of Wind Power in Palm Springs

We were on vacation a couple of years ago when I first saw the massive windmill farms near Palm Springs. It was kind of creepy looking at first -- so completely foreign to anything I'd seen.

After seeing them for a few days, they started growing on me and I realized what a great way to use the wind whipping between the mountains.
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There is a issue regarding how many birds are killed by windmills.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lls-usat_x.htm
It may reduce the number of “dump ducks” which some may find a good thing.
Vertical turbines are purported to not have that problem.

A row of 50 windmills spaced appropriately would make a challenging race course to slalom around.

With all that power going through the water I wonder if some minor misconnection could cause massive galvanic corrosion to boats in the vicinity.
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Valiente: " One of the criticisms of wind turbine power is its intermittant nature"

Check vanadium redox batteries as one possible solution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium_redox_battery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorne_Hill_wind_farm
http://www.vrbpower.com/
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Cool, John. I hadn't heard of this particular type of battery. I guess the end cost would be driven by the availability of vanadium itself commercially, and concerns about its toxicity, or potential therein.

Of course, lead is nasty, and I believe it's been mined since the Bronze Age.
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Valiente: Here is a link to an interview with the president of VRB Power on CBC radio. Scroll down to Jan. 29. According to the source linked below, vanadium toxicity is considered low.

http://www.cbc.ca/biznet/archives.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...indexed=google

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