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post #41 of 82 Old 11-27-2007
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Back to the aesthetics issue: It's both funny and sad how many people here in MO write letters to the editor about how ugly the new wind farms are and how they hate the sight of them, while the fact that the whole state is the main training ground for 'Redneck Yard of the Week' doesn't rate a mention.....

Ah well, it's only ugly if it's new....


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One cottager told the local paper that his property values would plunge $300,000 as soon as the towers were built.
I have NO sympathy for those folks. Unless he sells in the next four or five years, his cottage is going down anyway...
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I'd love to know where this cottager got that figure, or even the notion that values would drop. Hasn't been the pattern in Europe. Look, visual impact is a big deal with wind turbines. The best return comes from large units in large groupings, and the need for clean air means they tend to occupy high ground. They can't hunker in a sandpit like a coal-fired power plant.

There are iconic places where they are not visually appropriate in large numbers: the Blue Ridge Skyline, Boothbay, Cape Hattaras, the Teton Ridge. There are other places where they might disrupt wildlife: Altamont Pass is the chief disaster there: a thousand small latticework towers in a narrow slot that happens to be the chief migratory bird flyway in the US. Some birds have large nesting colonies near seashores; turbine siting should pay heed to that. And it may be wise to research what effect the installations or operation might have on marine mammals, cetaceans, or fish. Law of unintended consequences applies to wind power, too.

(As an aside, most bird strikes are on the tower, not the blades. Vertical axis turbines actually have a higher solidity than propeller types and should be more, not less, dangerous to birds. If VAWTs existed in numbers. If they worked. Which they don't.)

I've camoflagued my turbine a bit, turning a white and yellow nacelle dappled blue and grey; it vanishes against the background now. Dark blades are harder to see than white ones, and a little light patterning could break up the mass of the tower. Even the oil industry here has begun painting its tanks and pumpjacks to blend in with the dirt. It really makes a difference! Would
painting turbines a color other than Glaring White really increase the danger to boats, birds, or airplanes? Softening visual impact would vastly increase public acceptance of wind power.

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The proposed wind farm in Nantucket Sound is to be locatd on Horseshoe Shoals. Even though it is 5-6 miles off the Cape, the Horseshoe shallows to 1' of water in places, so plopping dozens of windmills on it need not add to any navigational hazard - the Shoal is already that in spades, and the towers may not make it any worse. I would see a benefit - for those boaters who don't read charts are less likey to run up on the Shoals...

And if you think I jest, a few years ago I was departing from Vinyard Haven one sunny Saturday morning when a 30'+ power boat pulled up and the skipper hailed from the flying bridge "what island is this..". When I replied Marthas Vineyard, he asked "where's Edgartown?". I pointed SE and off he went.
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But SF... I can navigate in 15" of water... So it is a big navigation hazard to those of us with extreme shoal draft boats.

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And if you think I jest, a few years ago I was departing from Vinyard Haven one sunny Saturday morning when a 30'+ power boat pulled up and the skipper hailed from the flying bridge "what island is this..". When I replied Marthas Vineyard, he asked "where's Edgartown?". I pointed SE and off he went.

Thread drift risk here (on my own thread), but Kenneth McNeill Wells, who had a global readership for his Owl Pen books, wrote a wonderful cruising guide to Georgian Bay in 1958 (Cruising the Georgian Bay) in which he recounts this conversation with a "sailorman" piloting a large powerboat off the Bustards:


“Where?” asked the sailor man on the bridge, “Where am I?”

We told him.

“How did I get here?”

We didn’t know.

“I ain’t where I thought I was.”

We believed him.

“How do I get where I thought I was?”

We couldn’t guess.

“I gotta road map.”

We congratulated him.

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It's actually germane to the issue. It's like bridge abutments on land (or in the SF Bay!). You could paint 'em bright pink with lime green stripes & strobe lights, and the people most likely to hit em are gonna hit em anyhow. Cuz it's foggy, or icy, or they are drunk, or fooling with a Blackberry, or asleep at the wheel.

There was some discussion about my wind turbine tower, whether it was within the 10-mile radius from the airport which requires FAA approval. The county planner said "They worry an airplane might hit it." I said, "Any airplane buzzing over my house at 65 ft has bigger problems than my wind turbine. I promise you that."

So is a sailboat or airplane (or raptor) more likely to hit a muted-color turbine than a bright white one?

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Interesting, I drive through the wind farm in Shelburne, Ontario, 45 turbines, every weekend on the way to the boat and I have stopped a couple of times but have not noticed they are particularily noisy.

I will have to make a point to stop next summer on a windy day, although I'm usually very anxious to get to the boat Friday night and passing through late Sunday to get home.


I would be interested to compare the amount of birds that are killed on the migratory routes flying into city skyscrapers verses running into turbines. This is a hot issue in Long Point Lake Erie.
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Acceptance of the goes up directly with the price of energy.
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Interesting, I drive through the wind farm in Shelburne, Ontario, 45 turbines, every weekend on the way to the boat and I have stopped a couple of times but have not noticed they are particularily noisy.

I will have to make a point to stop next summer on a windy day, although I'm usually very anxious to get to the boat Friday night and passing through late Sunday to get home.


I would be interested to compare the amount of birds that are killed on the migratory routes flying into city skyscrapers verses running into turbines. This is a hot issue in Long Point Lake Erie.
Love to hear what you find. Another bun fight has broken out around Wiarton. A wind energy company wants to erect some test towers (the prelude to getting an actual site plan together) around the area, but local council has refused to let it put them everywhere and anywhere, and instead focus on particular locations for the data collection.

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