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Buzzards Bay throws us a lot of days with 18-25 knots with gusts up to 30-35. That's normally a Small Craft Warning day...and the kind of weather I love to sail in.

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I plan to cleat the reefing lines on the boom up near the mast (there's no room on the cabin top to run them aft).

What sort of cleats should I use on an 18' boat? V-jam, cam-cleats or just ordinary ones??

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Back on topic..

I plan to cleat the reefing lines on the boom up near the mast (there's no room on the cabin top to run them aft).

What sort of cleats should I use on an 18' boat? V-jam, cam-cleats or just ordinary ones??

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Anything BUT V-jam.. esp the plastic ones. One slip under load and they won't hold again. Camcleats with a fairlead to keep the line there should work and may be more compact than an ordinary horn cleat (which might snag a flogging sheet)

That's a pretty small section on your boom so mounting lots of hardware is going to be a challenge.

btw- saw the pic of your boat on another thread - nice!

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The only thing with cam cleats is that you'll probably want a fairlead just in front of and just after the cam cleat to help keep the line from shaking free.

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Unless there is an eye for the bitter end on one side of the boom and the cheekblock on the other, the problem with cheek blocks is that it tries to twist the boom when you reef and so puts a lot of strain on the gooseneck or else rotates the boom so the load is taken off axis.
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Anything BUT V-jam.. esp the plastic ones. One slip under load and they won't hold again. Camcleats with a fairlead to keep the line there should work and may be more compact than an ordinary horn cleat (which might snag a flogging sheet)

That's a pretty small section on your boom so mounting lots of hardware is going to be a challenge.

btw- saw the pic of your boat on another thread - nice!
Thanks, Ron & SD - Camcleats it is then.

Yes, mounting will be a challenge. Any suggestions for mounting camcleats on such a thin section of aluminium? I can't really bolt it through.. Are the normal plastic cam-cleats okay for this service??

The current set-up uses a horn cleat on the bottom of the boom, which snags lines all the time. I was considering metal v-jams only because two rivets and it's mounted.

Are reefing lines on a boom likely to flog much? Must admit I've never noticed!.

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Unless there is an eye for the bitter end on one side of the boom and the cheekblock on the other, the problem with cheek blocks is that it tries to twist the boom when you reef and so puts a lot of strain on the gooseneck or else rotates the boom so the load is taken off axis.
Jeff, thanks for the warning.

I'm going to try to mount the cheekblocks as high as I can on the boom to keep the tail as close to the sail as possible. The main is now loose-footed (it's great - I don't know why I waited so long!) so I tie the line around the boom with a bowline.

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Thanks, Ron & SD - Camcleats it is then.

Yes, mounting will be a challenge. Any suggestions for mounting camcleats on such a thin section of aluminium? I can't really bolt it through.. Are the normal plastic cam-cleats okay for this service??

The current set-up uses a horn cleat on the bottom of the boom, which snags lines all the time. I was considering metal v-jams only because two rivets and it's mounted.

Are reefing lines on a boom likely to flog much? Must admit I've never noticed!.
hey Cam

you may find that making small saddle (starboard, or a block of wood or nylon) curved to fit your boom shape, with the camcleat mounted on that is the cleanest way to do it. Often when you try to tighten a camcleat on an uneven surface you can put enough stress on it that the cams don't move freely anymore.

If you put a fairlead behind the cleat make you you leave enough space to get in there and lift the line to release it.

Your external clew reef lines will flap around a bit if the sail is luffing, but when powered up they should be fine. Leave just enough slack to the stopper knot so that when the sail is up there's not a lot of free line to hang down, and it will be easy to make some velcro straps to keep the line alongside the boom since you're loosefooted.
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you may find that making small saddle (starboard, or a block of wood or nylon) curved to fit your boom shape, with the camcleat mounted on that is the cleanest way to do it. Often when you try to tighten a camcleat on an uneven surface you can put enough stress on it that the cams don't move freely anymore.

If you put a fairlead behind the cleat make you you leave enough space to get in there and lift the line to release it.

Your external clew reef lines will flap around a bit if the sail is luffing, but when powered up they should be fine. Leave just enough slack to the stopper knot so that when the sail is up there's not a lot of free line to hang down, and it will be easy to make some velcro straps to keep the line alongside the boom since you're loosefooted.
Thanks, Ron - you've nailed it!

Hadn't even considered velcro straps around the boom (and neither has Giu by the look of it!).

I'll give it a try...

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Faster's point about making a mounting block for the cam cleat is a very good one.. you want the cam cleat's base to be as flat as possible so the cams don't jam under load.

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