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Given the video in the OC news video clip, it is pretty obvious why Bunker didn't call a PAN-PAN or MAYDAY, his radio was behind the fire. The radio looks a bit melted.

Something is a bit fishy though. If the fire was intense enough to melt the radio face and damage the microphone cord—why didn't boat just burn to the waterline and sink.... most fires on boats are not anywhere close to self-extinguishing. Most boats have dry chemical fire extinguishers... since CO2 foam ones are really marine approved IIRC. Yet, I don't see any of the powder you'd expect to see if one had been discharged in the cabin.
It certainly is a plausible answer to the mystery of the lack of distress call. I agree about the strangeness of the fire putting itself out. The only fire (and hopefully the last fire) I have ever had on a boat did put itself out, but it was only because it was a small, smoldering fire in the electrical panel. Nothing else caught on fire, but I was two seconds away from pulling the trigger on the extinguisher. The only reason I hesitated was the thought of having to clean up the mess. LOL, probably not the smartest reason for hesitating to put out a fire on the boat. Fortunately I can live and learn from my experience, unlike this guy Bunker.

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I would like to assosciate myself with OMFG's comments. These topics run right off the rails when someone speculates on some minute point and then that becomes the topic; we construct a resume of the person with no available facts.

The average boater probably has little or no knowledge of Securite, Pan, or Mayday broadcasts. About all that can be hoped for is that they'd take a USCG-Aux course. Most will not spend the staggering amount of time necessary to educate themselves, and will prefer to learn as they go. Them's the facts.

If you have any hopes of re-using any of the electrics, you'll use a CO2 extinguisher on the fire. Dry chemical destroys the wiring. Foam extinguishers, which only use CO2 to produce the foam, not as an extinguishing agent per se, are only suitable for oil fires. The foam floats on the oil or water and smothers the fire. They are ineffective on electrical fires and unsafe for that use. Dry chemical should be used with caution on a boat. The dry chemical may make the boat uninhabitable post fire and on staying on deck may not be an option. CO2 works quite well for most fires encountered on board. Given the nature and size of boats, if a fire get's out of hand, with limited fire-fighting capabilities, it makes perfect sense to button up the cabin and use smothering or oxygen deprivation to extinguish the fire. Generally on board ship, the opposite of shore-side practise is employed. Shore-side fire fighters tend to want to ventilate the fire so that manpower can safely get to the source of the flames and so as to reduce the obscuring smoke. On board ship, ventilation is immediately shut down to prevent the travel of fire and to begin to deny it oxygen. When a fire get's out of control on a boat, it might be wise to button her up and discharge the as much CO2 into the sealed compartment as possible. While this technique may not put out your fire as quickly and effectively as fighting it directly with an unlimited supply of extinguishers, it may well prevent the fire from burning the boat to the waterline and prevent the contemplation of a very, very long swim.
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You're assuming that it was dismasted prior to leaving the California coastal zone...
That I am SD, just trying to figure out how someone intending to sail to SD could end up off Kauai

If he intended to sail to the Islands and not SD, then I could understand, maybe; but if he was headed to San Diego and something happened, I would think the sailboat would have made land somewhere between La Jolla and Ensanada.

But that's just me thinking
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No sail plan and the boat actually making it to hawaii makes me wonder like some here if SD was his true destination. Wonder if he had a slip bought and paid for or a deposit on one at least. Not sure if we will ever know the outcome of a well conducted investigation, if one was even performed.
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I believe I read somewhere that he was borrowing a slip from the previous owner of his boat when he was to arrive in San Diego.
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According to the articles I've seen, he had a slip in San Diego, as well as one up in Dana Point...
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This is how weird this whole thing is. First, seller sells a boat to a basic unknown person, he takes a 50% down payment and spends time with the buyer getting him accustom to the boat, then he allows him to singlehand his boat, which is still in his name, still has a balanced owed of 9000.00, 60 nm south to a area that would be almost impossible to find the guy if the buyer was intending to stiff him.

Secondly, the fact that the seller did not report that (a) the boat was overdue in SD or (b) the boat was possibly stolen as the buyer still had a balance, after not hearing from the guy for so long.

But then, it's also possible that anyone of those reports were made and the news report just omitted it.

Right now the whole thing smells really fishy and we may never know the whole story, other than another soul was lost, and that's the sad part
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New article, but not much new news. I'm guessing it'll go down as another unsolved mystery.
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