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Can anyone say "snake oil" ? If any of the methods mentioned/marketed had any empirical data to support their effectiveness in a true scientific method, they would have cornered the market on said devices and insurance companies would give us a break for installing them. The safety recommendations given by knowledgable sailors are still valid if caught in those situations, but some of these antics are as effective as trailing a dead cat over the side.
Thanks for the warning about bogus nature of the "lightning rod salesmen". Nobody has proven anything better than the basic lightning rod system in over two centuries of trying to sell their expensive scams. Granted, some devices could possibly be slightly more effective, but the controlled study with power to prove it has not yet been done - it would be very difficult, and expensive.
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Thanks for the warning about bogus nature of the "lightning rod salesmen". Nobody has proven anything better than the basic lightning rod system in over two centuries of trying to sell their expensive scams. Granted, some devices could possibly be slightly more effective, but the controlled study with power to prove it has not yet been done - it would be very difficult, and expensive.
Quite agreed... typically the school of thought is having ground points at the ends of the boat ....or having that ferro effect interior... I think one of the main issues here is that you are not talking a spark form a shore power box... thousands if not millions of volts - and dare we remind people lightening is STATIC - it has no direction and has at whim a desire to go anywhere it wants to...usually many places at the same time...

Having been struck twice by lightening on the ground myself... there is no rhyme or reason unless it actually has a mind of its own - and there again - there is no winner...
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OK, I bailed out at Page 3 and jumped to the last page, so I apologize if I'm restating someone else's point, but here's the bottom line. If you play golf, you know that every golf course has resident trees - made of wood - willing to testify that lightening is not respectful of dielectric properties of its victims. Yes, lightening is compelled to follow the laws of physics and must follow a conductive path, but here's a flash (no pun intended) - Lightening is usually accompanied by rain! Rain is conductive and makes the surface of anything it coats conductive! Aluminum, stainless, wood, fiberglass, are all potential paths for conducting current from a million volts when coated with rain. "Coaxing" the current to follow more conductive paths that present less risk of damage from the arcing (metal becomes molten at arc points - hence, arc welding - so robust connections are much more effective than clamps), and less risk from the high temperatures generated for an instant during the discharge, do help mitigate the risk of fire and blowing a hole in a stricken hull as lightening seeks its own path.

Now, what wipes out the electronics? Rarely, is it the current flow from the strike. It's generally the electromagnetic field generated by the current flow of the lightening as it seeks its path to the water and then to ground. Whether that path is actually metal or the watery skin of a wooden spar, it will generate a powerful electro-magnetic field. The field will realign those miniscule magnetic storage places known as software or firmware and will induce side currents in any wiring path that completes a circuit. It is these properties that are injurious to the electronics.

So, what's the prescription? To make it risk free, stay off the water (and the golf course). OK, you've already declined that option, so you've decided to accept some risk. Good for you – you’re a sailor! A robust grounding path from the mast to the water will greatly help (but not guarantee to) avoid burn damage from the strike and keep you floating. Not having this will decrease the risk of being struck but increase the risk of catastrophic damage if hit. I like staying afloat and not burning, so I generally go with grounding when lightening is likely to think I’m the most attractive thing around. In anchorages, I play the probability side and go for less attractive. Disconnecting all cables from electronics definitely does help to protect them and is highly recommended. Keep this in mind when installing new electronics, so that it’s not an ordeal. Putting anything storing data or programs - chips, discs, hard drives, etc. - in a metal box tucked away from where you anticipate lightening paths is also a good practice, but understand even this may not save them.

Or you can follow a friend's prescription. He anchors near large cats with their taller masts and larger acreage touching the water. Two months ago, anchored in the San Blas Islands, it paid off when the cat anchored 50 yards behind was hit. But the electromagnetic field still wiped out his laptop and induced a fatal current in his stereo system!

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I did some military training and was told by experts that if you are in a boat that is being fired upon...get away from the boat!..stop me if you've heard this before. I heard the same thing about lightning. So how bout this...you rig a 2 foot piece of steel to a halyard and connect it to some wire and then haul it up the mast...just before an electrical storm arrives....then throw the wire that is bolted to a 4' piece of stainless overboard. You could even 'try' to float it away from the boat and use nylon insulated spacers but then all this makes 'get away from the boat sound so easy'. 'Whew...depending on your location, praying just may be the best option'.
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I did some military training and was told by experts that if you are in a boat that is being fired upon...get away from the boat!..stop me if you've heard this before. I heard the same thing about lightning. So how bout this...you rig a 2 foot piece of steel to a halyard and connect it to some wire and then haul it up the mast...just before an electrical storm arrives....then throw the wire that is bolted to a 4' piece of stainless overboard. You could even 'try' to float it away from the boat and use nylon insulated spacers but then all this makes 'get away from the boat sound so easy'. 'Whew...depending on your location, praying just may be the best option'.
Getting away from the boat in most cases will mean getting rather wet, increasing your chances of becoming a good conductor for any stray currents.

You'd be far better off forgetting about fancy methods for trying to dissipate a zillion volts of electricity and going below where it's warm and dry and reading a good book.

Murphy's Law notwithstanding, the boat will look after itself just fine.
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Hit on the Chesapeake

Our Caliber 40 was hit a few years ago in an Anchorage near Annapolis. The boat is not grounded. Damage showed that the lightening came down the two back stays, the front stay and the mast. All mast head stuff was gone. Most of the electronics took a hit.

Evidence it came down the mast was limited to a pin hole in the depth gauge near the base of the mast.

The front stay was 'charred' at the roller furling joints so it was replaced.

The charges that came down the two rear stays jumped from the stay to a nearby screw in a piece of trim adjacent to the stay straps and blew away the trim from the screws to the tip of the trim...a couple of inches. The damage on both sides was identical.

While standing in the cockpit just after it happened not fully realizing what had happened, I watched a boat behind us moving thru the anchorage get hit....the mast bulb (and probably other gear) just exploded.

There was no time to do anything like hook up battery cables or the like...a very fast moving storm that continued to produce a dazzling show as it moved across the bay. Just don't touch anything!!

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Lightning Protection

This website by a former U.of Fl. scientist who now works full time on the lightning issue is the best I have seen on what lightning does when it strikes an object and how to prevent major damage (marinelightning.com). Interestingly, he claims the scientific evidence indicates that the real problem area for boats is from side flash at the waterline.
I'm no physicist, so he could have this all wrong for all I know. It would be great to hear views from someone more technically able - which isn't saying much!
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I have a 26' ungrounded sloop with an outboard. Am I better off leaving it alone or I have been advised that attaching a battery jumper cable to a shroud or the mast and hanging it overboard might be safer in lightening ?
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I have a 26' ungrounded sloop with an outboard. Am I better off leaving it alone or I have been advised that attaching a battery jumper cable to a shroud or the mast and hanging it overboard might be safer in lightening ?
Assuming your boat is plastic or wood, definitely leave it alone.. and head for shelter.

I'd suggest disconnecting any electrics to the outboard though if that's easy to do.
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Found an interesting study on the subject and just though I would share it:

Lighning and The Small Boat
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