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Are there pilings on the finger pier side? Without them this would be a very bad situation. With them it might be ok if the rubrail is very stout, they can tie off well, they have plenty of fenders and most of all there isn't much tidal range.
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Width was a concern for me until I realized that 12' 6" over 42 feet is positively slim compared to the current crop of sugar scoops. It's a little odd to have an ostensibly "massive" boat that in some conditions has a far more forgiving motion (and sails better) than boats featuring 25 year newer designs.

But "commodious" and "condo-like" is what people want, apparently: 40 x 14 feet seems to be typical, even though it can make a hull look like a bar of soap. Race boats are different: I'm talking the current crop of cruisers.

My earlier boat is 33' 7" by 9' 10" and seems like a lawn quoit compared to today's wide rides.
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Race boats are different: I'm talking the current crop of cruisers.
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My boat barely fits into my slip. Unless I manage to glide in dead straight I slide up against a pylon. Happily, I've got a strong rubrail with a metal scratch guard over it. Not the most convenient of situations, but the price is right, the marina is nice, and it keeps my docking skills sharp.
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Mitch,

I think I have seen your friends out in their 393 Bene once at the rocks achored and swimming very close to them. We were down checking to see if there was ice today and stopped by your marina. I your boat high and dry or still in. Barbara at the marina is really nice. I will be going over later in March to have them pull the mast and replace my wind instrument and halyards and lights. Only 57 days till sock burning for us. Hope to meet you this spring.

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Only in part... Race boats have a different set of forces on them and no expectation of comfort, along with a lessened expectation of ultimate stability which is the price paid for performance. My point is that not only is there little reason for many cruising boats to emulate or parrot race boat design, but there are real sacrifices made on a practical level by cruising in a flat-bottomed fin keeler formed to go fast around the buoys.

The exceptions to this, of course, are the large and expensive performance cruisers that strike a balance between the two. The J-160, the Saga 43 and 48 and a number of Swans and H-Rs come to mind. Beneteaus, Hanses, Dufours, and others do not. I haven't included Hunters and Catalinas because they are not usually thought of as offshore-appropriate. Doesn't mean some idiot (or a lucky idiot) won't try it, mind you, but the results are seen in other threads.
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You make some great points, Val. Unfortunately, particularly recently, many mainstream designs follow the raceboats' trends, presumably because that's what's fashionable and considered "modern".

There have been some positive spinoffs for cruisers over the years, but I would not include shallow bilges, flat bottoms, plumb bows and max beam at the transom as positive in terms of offshore boats.

I guess to try to keep this mini-rant on topic, beamy boats are hard to fit into narrow berths (kinda like trying to park a full sized pickup in today's shopping centre parking stalls )
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Oh Joy's 9'-10", 35' LOD and 39'4" LOA. I like her shape better than the newer condos. If she was fatter, I wouldn't be able to fit in my current slip. I've got a fat Bayliner 3888 sitting next two me and only two feet of space between us.
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39'4" LOA and 9'10" beam, sounds like you're sailing a pencil!

Makes my 34 x 10'2" sound kinda plump.
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