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On most ships it probably would take a minimum of thirty minutes, maybe a little less if everything fell right, to START heaving anchor. In all out panic mode, 15 minutes to start. How long do you think it takes to heave in 7 or 8 shots of chain? A shot is 90 feet of chain and I'm guessing it takes about 3-4 minutes per shot, I never really timed it.

The more likely response might be to veer the anchor chain or manoeuver with the engine. Relistically, if no maintenance was being done to the engine, 15 minutes to be manoeuvering.

I carried a million dollar policy on my USCG license for a few hundred a year cost. If figured it would cover the cost of the Philadelphia lawyers, but not any liability.

It's about the same here in the US. Most of the first responders to a scene do not have the expertise to determine even what happened, let alone assign blame, so they just breathalyze everyone, and throw anyone who's been drinking in jail. Doesn't matter if they arrest the cook or not, except nobody's getting breakfast after working all night. They're usually busy doing this while the ship is still taking on water. Much, much later the pros arrive to figure out what to do and who's to blame.

Different countries do indeed have different laws and traditions. Had the accident happened in Turkey, it's highly likely that the Master would have been incarcerated immediately and held until all was resolved. And that could take years. (and guess what? your State Dept. isn't getting him out!) I had a fellow in my union go through it in Turkey; spent over a year and a half in the slammer. Had to sign an affidavit he'd return for the trial, his trial, when it came to the court. Now he lives in fear of his plane or ship having to enter Turkish space in an emergency. The US won't extradite him due to the nature of the "crime" and Turkey's not asking anyways. Somebody got a big chunk of money, we suspect, and that's how he got out. Needless to say, he's never going back. Could be worse. Could have happened in Rio! Ouch! That'd hurt.
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The latest, from an industry publication (the second story, about the HEBEI SPIRIT, I didn't know how to delete the other stuff).

I'm not one to jump to conclusions (usually), but prosecution of the tanker Master and Mate, who were struck at anchor, smells awful to me:








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Total to appeal Erika verdict


FRENCH oil company Total said on Friday that it plans to appeal against its conviction for negligence relating to the loss of the tanker Erika and the subsequent pollution of France's coast. But it says it will nevertheless pay out the euros192m compensation to local businesses that it was part of the court's ruling.
Total, which claims the verdict was “unfair counter to the intended aim of enhancing maritime transportation safety” says it will ensure that payments are made immediately and are full and final, whatever the result of the appeal to “any of the third-parties who are willing to accept it”.
Meanwhile environmental campaigning group Greenpeace says it will launch its own appeal to the courts to push up the compensation Total must pay. Complaining that Total was trying to limit the full legal consequences of recent verdict against it, Greenpeace says that it will “take advantage of this appeal to make [Total] put the right value on the damages it caused.”
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Hebei Spirit trial begins


THE trial in South Korea of five men accused of negligence and violating anti-pollution laws in connection with the Hebei Spirit collision and spill in December started on Friday, to a chorus of disapproval from the international shipping community. The five include the master and mate of the VLCC which was at anchor when a barge carrying a large crane hit its side and ruptured several tanks causing a a spill of about 10,000 tonnes of crude oil. The Hong Kong-registered ship is managed by V.Ships which says the two Indian nationals should be praised rather than blamed as they alerted the authorities to the danger and did all they could. Speaking at press conference in Hong Kong last week V. Ships Shipmanagement's chief executive officer Bob Bishop pointed at that the master could not have heaved up the anchor in time. The managing director of the Hong Kong ship owners' association, Arthur Bowring, was also reported as objecting to the trial of the two officers, both Indian nationals who, while not in custody, have not been allowed to leave Korea. He was quoted as saying: "We are very disappointed with any maritime authorities who indict crew members who have been involved in an accident. It's not following basic human rights, it's not following the general course of legal issues."
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