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"To do circumsions it takes some real gut, a reckless abandonment"

No kidding. It hurts just thinking about it.
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"To do circumsions it takes some real gut, a reckless abandonment"

No kidding. It hurts just thinking about it.
Don't mind it it is the circumnavigation term I came up with.. it is painful.. fair warning - fair seas - yadda yadda
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I do not consider "blue water" cruisers and "liveaboards" to be the same thing at all. Most of the production boats today are geared to resembling the newer sort of condo, and I'm sure if you had running water and 60 amps to your dock, you would find most 38-45 footers quite comfortable and airy. Sailing them in under 20 knots would also be very pleasant, as most of them are daysail-oriented.

A blue-water boat, by contrast, is often darker inside because of the smaller net window area in the coach house (three or four 7 x 14" portlights plus a modest foredeck hatch might be it. They are often narrower, because so much of the "living area" is devoted not to floor space but stowage for all the gear and provisions you like to have long-term cruising. The bunks aren't behind door or disguised as settees: they are very evident, coffin-like, partially enclosed boxes designed to keep a sleeper in if the boat should slew off a wave in a heavy weather night watch. There are more handrails, and sometimes padding on upright supports. The floorboards and locker hatches can have simple or elaborate latches, to keep the gear in if the boat capsizes.

An offshore boat is a combination of fairly Spartan and usually traditional (because traditional is proven) accomodation mixed with NASA-level technology and elaborate, expensive systems to ensure independence from the shore, like watermakers, gensets, satphones, radar, extensive ground tackle, and so on. The tankage seems like overkill, as does the spares inventory, but that is from the point of view of never getting out of sight of Europe, North America or the more developed parts of the Caribbean, the cruising grounds of the light, fast, condo-like cruiser. And that's fine: any sailboat trumps an RV as a vacation or retirement home...why not?

There are a few designs that combine some of the performance and looks of the typical production cruiser with the more rigorous requirements of the offshore passagemaker. Saga Yachts, Swans, some of the J-Boat line, some Moodys, and so on. All great boats and all three times the price of a Bendytoy, several of which I boarded recently at a boat show and poked around in the innards. I liked the Tartan 43 about the best of the "boats I wouldn't buy, but can understand why others would" set. A Bavaria or a Dufour, on the other hand...not so much. Some of the construction in those boats actually looks weak to me.
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The Catalina 30 that made it to Hawaii did so with a fair bit of luck, and the prevailing currents. Most boats are far tougher and will generally survive more than the crew aboard them can tolerate. Another good example is the 32' catamaran that was abandoned off the coast of Mexico that was found floating over six months later.

Liveaboard boats and bluewater cruisers are often very different boats, since they often have very different purposes. Many people who "liveaboard" want all the comforts of home and have a big roomy boat, that would be seriously unsuited for a rougher bluewater passage.

Most dedicated bluewater cruising boats, by comparison, are fairly narrow, and not with all the "comforts" of a liveaboard boat. However, most bluewater sailors are comfortable with the tradeoffs between creature comforts and seaworthiness.
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Can someone point me to the information on Contessa 32s submarining? That is the first I have heard of that and I would like to read the source.

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I got it from a single mention by one of Yachting World's most knowledgeable and experienced writers (editors?), Elaine Bunting. She owns and sails a Contessa 32.

I wouldn't let this design's tendency to get very wet lead me to the suspicion that she's anything but an incredible offshore boat. Her ocean record is nothing short of astounding. There has to be a C32 forum you could search and/or question.

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A friend once told me that fairly often coastel cruisers would show up in Hawaii with inner bulkheads broken loose and other damage.
My favorite Hawaii-related boat design story:

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Experience told the [locals] that when a boat hits the reef at Diamond Head, it's gone. Period. In the last few years twelve boats had been lost there — all ground to a pulp before touching the beach. So when Rick von Stein's Crealock 37 Aldabra, smashed over the reef and came to rest on the beach nearly unscathed, the locals were understandably surprised. But not as surprised as Rick: "What this boat put up with is awesome — just amazing. "
http://www.pacificseacraft.com/PDF/PSC37Amazing.pdf

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