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Correct me if I'm wrong in interpreting what you're saying... A person who spent 360 days on a sailboat can't operate a sailboat as a commercial captain, say running a charter boat, until he has a sail endorsement on his OUPV?

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That is exactly right, Dog!
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The seriously funny part is seeing a 18-20 year old with a masters license, having logged his time sailing his laser around on the creek.
Meanwhile - I have 16 years of sea service with the Navy and can't use that time (it's over 7 years old and only documented as aboard, not time at sea).
I'm on my boat friday to sunday for 8 months of the year, not always for 6 hours of the day - call it 10 days a month, maximum, 60 a year because life gets in the way of every weekend. If I follow the actual letter of the rules I can never qualify for a USCG 6 pack. Makes you wonder how anyone does get a 6 pack BEFORE they go into the business.
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Chuckles, I do believe the CG considers a day at sea being 4 hour's however you can not have more then one 4 hour period in a 24 hour day. I hope that makes sense.

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It does, I get it - and I stand by the calculations. Your average seasonal recreational boater can not log the days at sea requirement, not realistically.
Getting home after a days work and sailing until dead dark doesn't get four hours, so you get 2 days a week, 6 or so months a year.

Maybe that's the intent of the requirement, if so fine by me. I'm satisfied with meeting my own knowledge and experience standards. I'd like to see a recreational boaters licence tho - it would help with insurance.
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I agree with you Chuckles, The following is off the top of my head as I don't have time to check my facts at the moment.

To hold a OUPV you must be 18 and can be a non-citizen. 180 hours of sea time. For the small boat sailor the license can be restricted down to 5 tons.

Masters, 21 years old and a citizen, 360 days for sea service. can be issued starting at 5 tons. (My wife has 25 ton Masters)

Yes, to get your sea time you have to make a commitment to it.

I would also like to see some type of recreational boating license or education course before they can operate a boat. hopefully it would make safer for all of us
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Sea Service Documentation - the applicant's sea service must be documented by each vessel's owner. If applicant documents service on his/her own vessel, some form of proof of ownership must be included. Experience gained before age 13 will not be accepted. At least half of the required service must be obtained after the age of 16. One day of sea service consists of at least 6 hours underway. For all licenses, at least 90 days of sea service must be within the past 3 years.
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An OUPV and Inland Masters license requires a minimum of 360 days of experience in the operation of vessels. 90 days in the last three years.

An OUPV Near Coastal license requires a minimum of 360 days of experience in the operation of vessels, including at least 90 days experience seaward of the Boundary Line.

Near Coastal Master requires 720 days, 360 days of which can be from time in inland waters. of the 720 days, 90 days are required in the last three years.


That's not so bad I guess.
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Thank you Chuck, I am into my 4th license issue, they renew every 5 years. I guess I have had time to forget.
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The sail endorsement exam is very easy - I took it last year at the Mariner's school. They required taking their 3 hour course before the exam but everyone in the class knew more than the instructor.
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I sat for my Masters exams last year and the sail endorsement test was by far the easiest, but it would have been difficult for someone with little or no sailing experience. I home studied, no class, and there was no requirement that any of my sea time be in sailing vessels in order to qualify to take the sail endorsement. I only got a 50 ton rating because all of my time was in smaller boats (the minimum rating given is 25 tons). By the way, home study is extremely time consuming and difficult, only about 10% pass, I'd strongly recommend taking a class. It's shocking how much of it I have forgotten already though!

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