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SD - Regarding the photo of the frappe (non flavored) that you posted - is that what you use? It looks like that line if tossed into a cockpit locker would come undone and get messy in a hurry, no?
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That isn't quite the way I frap a line, but it was the best illustration of a frapped coil of line that I could find.
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Most ships do not carry cleats for one. Bitts, while far larger, are much eaier to use and make for a much more secure line. Research has been done on securing synthetic lines to bitts and, due to their tremendous amount of contact area with the line, it's highly recommended that two full round turns around both heads of the bitt be taken before finishing off with figure eights. No locking turn is ever taken or needed for that matter (all it can do is cause trouble later). The round turns have less contact with the two bitts and therefore produce less friction as the line works on the bitts. Where this really manifests itself is upon releasing the line. If you've figure eighted the entire way you'll find that the line will have fused a small amount to the bitts. You have to remove almost all turns before the line will break loose, often resulting in loss of control of a loaded line and possible injury. With the two round turns you are able to remove the figure eights and easily surge the line while maintaining control. That the majority of the load while secured is taken by the two round turns also results in less damage to the line versus securing with figure eights only.

Given the relative smallness of cleats and bitts fitted to sailboats I see no real problem with a locking figure eight to cap off the line's securing. It adds no extra grip to the hitch but it does allow for deck traffic and wind that are more of a factor in the hitch coming adrift from the top down on a sailboat. if the locking turn is going to take a strain and bind up, making it difficult to release, I'd submit that the cleats are of inadequate size. Which just about describes most boats, right? (g)
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1" lines don't blow around in 30 knots of wind and uncoil from a cleat... 3/8" lines, like those found on a 30' sailboat... do.
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I'm using 1/2 inch docking lines, over kill?
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Not in my book... but then again, I have 1/2" docklines, and a 5/8" anchor rode. People who go cheap on docklines and ground tackle are pretty dumb IMHO.
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What do use the bowline with a bight for primariy?
Jib sheets in heavy weather. I've had bowlines shake loose on occasion, and the bight secures them better. Eventually, I'll probably switch to a lark's head, if that's the right one I'm thinking of (my knot books are aboard, not at hand).
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Good Lord man! That thing wasn't forgotten, it was thrown out.
See how bad PR affects things?

I've used it to secure all sorts of small lines. It's like a super reef knot.
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Gosh I make one casual mention of carrying around line in my shorts to practice knots with and five pages of comments from ice cream to bitts.

Incidently, I can tie a bowline, granny, off hand, cleat hitch, and my shoes. Years of boy scout, US Navy and sailing have paid off. I really really suck at knots, hence the line in my pocket.
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Larks head is a good knot for genny sheets if you've got one really long sheet to use for both port and starboard.
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Jib sheets in heavy weather. I've had bowlines shake loose on occasion, and the bight secures them better. Eventually, I'll probably switch to a lark's head, if that's the right one I'm thinking of (my knot books are aboard, not at hand).
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I just get creative when I'm tying something... I have 3 books on knots which are as useless as books to learn sailing...
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