Random trivia...can we make this work

[Plumper]

I'm sorry, my experience with multiple choice questions only permit one answer normally. I guess my correct single answer doesn't count.

SD, making large and obvious course changes to avoid R of R situations must make getting anywhere quite challenging. Probably half the time you could just stand on and the other vessel would alter.......in accordance with the rules.

[Boasun]

Originally Posted by Plumper

I'm sorry, my experience with multiple choice questions only permit one answer normally. I guess my correct single answer doesn't count.

SD, making large and obvious course changes to avoid R of R situations must make getting anywhere quite challenging. Probably half the time you could just stand on and the other vessel would alter.......in accordance with the rules.

The Stand-on Vessel as by law maintains course and speed. But she has to watch the Give-way Vessel to ensure that they will indeed give way. And if they don't then and only then will you have to maneuver to avoid or lessen the impact of a collision caused by the idiot on the Give-way Vessel. That is why I prefer to be the Give-way vessel. It allows me to maneuver as necessary and only depend on the Stand-on vessel to maintain course & Spd.

[nolatom]

I may have seen this in a book, so probably not an original thought, but I think you have "zones" as vessels become aware of each other.

First is the evaluation zone. You look, visually, at lights, at radar (and AIS and ARPA/ plotting,) if you if you have it, and figure out if you have a close-quarters situation.

Second is the reaction zone. You realize you have a steady bearing-decreasing range situation, figure out if you're the stand-on or the give-way vessel, wonder if the other vessel is aware of you, maybe you get on the radio, and try to sort it out. If you're the give-way, this would be the time to make a sharp course change as a "signal" to the stand-on that you see him and realize that someone has to make a course change.

Third is the "avoiding action" zone. Here's where the give-way actually gives way, and when the stand-on makes sure he is..

Fourth is the "I gotta get out of this now, or we'll collide" zone. This is when the stand-on vessel can alter course and speed while there's still just enough room to avoid it even if the other guy is asleep at the wheel/autopilot. Here's where the danger signal comes in, if not sounded earlier.

Fifth is the "it's too late/general alarm" phase. Give-way hasn't given, stand-on hasn't taken sufficient action, and you're going to collide, only question is what type and angle of collision it will be.

I don't need to say what the sixth zone is, except you don't want to get there.

I've mostly been thinking of crossing situations here. The toughest are the not-quite-head-on, when one vessel thinks green to green is acceptable, while the other doesn't and alters to starboard. A recipe for a hit or a near-miss.

And in fog, bear in mind that Rule 19 trumps all the other meeting and crossing rules. There's really no "right of way" in fog. All vessels of all types have to navigate with caution until any close situation has passed.


These zones may be miles apart for fast oceangoing vessels, or only a few hundred yards apart for smaller recreational boats at a harbor entrance, and can expand or contract depending on visibility, weather, sea state, darkness, lots of factors.

And these zones depend on both vessels seeing each other, visually or electronically. If they do, usually things work out. If one or both of them don't, then they often don't.

[Plumper]

Originally Posted by Boasun

The Stand-on Vessel as by law maintains course and speed. But she has to watch the Give-way Vessel to ensure that they will indeed give way. And if they don't then and only then will you have to maneuver to avoid or lessen the impact of a collision caused by the idiot on the Give-way Vessel. That is why I prefer to be the Give-way vessel. It allows me to maneuver as necessary and only depend on the Stand-on vessel to maintain course & Spd.

I also prefer to be the give-way vessel, then you have all the cards.

My question to SD dealt with actually getting somewhere not really anti-collision. My experience has been that altering for everyone is not really desirable. It is probably fine on a pleasure craft out for a daysail, but for boats with a purpose and schedule it would be maddening.

[sailingdog]

I don't find it all that much of a problem. I find that if you make small course alterations, the other skipper may not recognize them in time and it leads to a close contact situation. By making course changes fairly obvious, it simplifies things for both vessels. I'd rather be proactive and work early to avoid a collosion, than be reactive and have a closer call or collision.

Originally Posted by Plumper

I'm sorry, my experience with multiple choice questions only permit one answer normally. I guess my correct single answer doesn't count.

SD, making large and obvious course changes to avoid R of R situations must make getting anywhere quite challenging. Probably half the time you could just stand on and the other vessel would alter.......in accordance with the rules.

New question:

At the end of a storm, your first mate comes up to you and says he sees "Dutchman's Breeches". What did he see???

[Boasun]

A small patch of blue sky, just large enough to make a pair of breeches for a Dutchman.

What is happening when there is a BLAD in the area??

[Boasun]

A BLAD folks, is a Squall with rain. A term use on the north coasts...

Here is an easy question: International & Inland; Which signal is recognized as a distress signal?
A. Directing the beam of the search light at another vessel.
B. A smoke signal giving off orange colored smoke.
C. A whistle signal of one prolonged and three short blasts.
D. The International code "Pan" spoken on the Radio Telephone.

[Plumper]

B. A smoke signal giving off orange colored smoke.

Now I'm going sailing.

[Boasun]

Originally Posted by Plumper

B. A smoke signal giving off orange colored smoke.

Now I'm going sailing.

Up to me for another question I guess: A tad bit of weather!?
The direction of the surface wind is__________________.
A. directly from high pressure toward low pressure
B. directly from low pressure toward high pressure
C. from high pressure toward low pressure deflected by the earth's rotation
D. from low pressure toward high pressure deflected by the earth's rotation

[sailingdog]

C. from high pressure toward low pressure deflected by the earth's rotation