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I appreciate your work very much. In fact, I ate a barbequed sausage for breakfast in your honour!

(Seriously, Sailnet and the damp rabble around here owe you nothing. If the level of abuse or the time commitment is too onerous...seek more moderators, or pass on the task. Moderation will either happen, or it won't, and the place will either turn into SA or the old newsgroup alt.rec.cruising, which was a cesspit. People have to learn self-moderation...your duties should be gatekeeping, not civility enforcement.)
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Both of you guys do a great job and make a real difference. CD you should feel free to voice your opinion and use the forum as you like as well as moderate it. I'm sure that can be a tricky line to hold but still think you should allow yourself more slack.

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CD and Cam,
Thank you guys for all the time you spent on this site. It is an invaluable resource.
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CD you're a real MERDERATOR...so is Cam...but he doesn't smell so bad...just looks
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Cam, superheros are overworked and underpaid, and that's why you see so few of them flying through the skies these days.

In the newspaper business they used to say that if BOTH sides were yelling at you all the time--you probably were doing a good objective job of reporting the news. So as long as half of your complaints accuse you of vile censorship while the other half accuse you of letting the place run amok...you're probably doing a fine job of moderation.[g]
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CD- I think the moderation on this site works very well. That's why I waste sooo much time here instead of the other sites you mentioned. Your, and Cam, efforts are much appreciated. I do think you should feel more free to chime in on threads of interest to you without having to worry so much about soiling your moderators hat. (your shorts maybe, hat no)

I for one am sorry that your frustration has grown to the point that you needed to vent in the first place. Feel free to have people start calling me with complaints. I guarantee I can cut the phone calls by 50% in the first 24 hours. (Of course I'd likely cut sailnet sales proportionally too.)

Whatever you do, please don't leave. I couldn't bear it if our local Condolina expert weren't around. Hell, I'd have to start picking on macgregors or something.... oh, wait......

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CD, and Cam,

You provide a valuable service to us, and many (if not all) of us "members" appreciate it. The rest of us are guests here, and should behave as guests.

There is a reason that I participate here and not in SA, and that is the moderation of the discourse. I hope that my presence here adds some value to someone. I know that I get at least as much value from the site as I contribuite. That's why I keep coming back.

That said, you guyz aren't perfect, and I have disagreed with the lattitude that you have allowed in some of the discussions. Unfortunately the lattitude has, on occasion, contribuited to a pack mentality (the infamous Solar thread comes to mind). It is sad that you guys have to police this stuff, and that your moderator status means that you have to keep above the fray. When the discourse turns to personal comments, people leave. I believe that the person that initially pointed me to this site left because she no longer felt welcome here.

It really is a loss when people leave, because we all benefit from each other's experience. The more people that contribuite to the site, the more valuable it becomes. Realize that all of the information here should have a disclaimer; follow at your own risk. (I don't think Nigel Calder is a member.)

In general, I think that all responses to topics can be categorized into three broad categories. If the dialogue is on something that I can contribuite positive first hand knowledge of, I am happy to contribuite my $0.02 in the hope that someone can benefit. When the dialogue is on a topic that I know nothing about, but the topic piques my curiosity (ex. "feminine issues"), I sit back and watch. I consider this a neutral response. For people that want to rant, rag on, or otherwise be negative there is a topic for that: Fight Club for Sailors. I don't hang there because it's not my thing. But, there is a place for it if you want to go there. Kudos to the site designers for empowering us to create the threads and topics on this site, and manage it's content.

With regard to the replies that provoked CD's original post in this thread: there is a term for a person who is deliberately inflammatory on the Internet in order to provoke a vehement response from other users. They are called Trolls. If I disagree with someone, I will PM them. I do not reply back with some biting comment, because arguing a point in a public forum would make me a Troll.

Although I have never had to do so, kudos to the site designers (again) for enabling us to ignore posts from a specific user as a means of ignoring trolls.

And, thanks to you two for trying to keep us in line.


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I cannot tell you the countless times I have had to deal the screaming, bickering, name calling, pornography, phone calls to my house and business, etc. I have gotten MANY nasty PM's - probably twice as many as Giu. THere is no reason for that.
Twice as many as Alex?!?! Holy smokes!

More seriously: Why do you tolerate that? Disagreements and complaints I can understand. But nobody, I mean nobody, should have to tolerate abusive behaviour--particularly when they're not being paid for it. ISTM if somebody gets (overly?) rude with you, you should just show 'em the door.

Anyway: Thanks to you, CD, and Cam for taking on the moderation. Sailnet is a nice, balanced environment and I think that's at least in part you the efforts of you two. I've done moderation. It ain't no picnic, even under the best of conditions.

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You obviously forgot that I am also a moderator which may explain why I haven't gotten much moderation business email lately.

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As the most recent (as far as I know) 'regular' poster who has run afoul of the moderator's ban button all I have to say is please, please keep up the good work - and I realize it is work.
If I do anything that steps over the line feel free to bring me to task; either I'll get over it, apologize profusely or move on and in none of those cases should it bother you in the least.

What I understand in this case is a user violated the one user one login/one login one user rule. I'd have banned them on the spot because of that, never mind apologizing to them because you can't read minds.
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