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Although we have a lot of good boats, as Alex says, we have a few bad ones as well.

I would think for the European market why not buy a European boat that was bought here in the states up to 5 years ago. It was bought at a much better exchange rate and therefore should be able to be had for less. Certainly some boats are in demand and the boat goes up as the currency exchange does. However, there are a lot of boats on the market, including some very good European boats in the US market, and the price is what the buyer is willing to pay. We may have a lot of Canadians buying US boats now, but not that many Europeansas yet.
Yes...that too...they have a lot of Halberg Rassy, and Grand Soleil, and Najad, not many Dehler unfrotunately...I don't think I would buy a US made Beneteau or Jeanneau to take to Europe.
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The problem is that mystical "CE Certification" and getting a European registration. A Jeanneau made in the US without that stamp wouldn't get certified even if a sistership made in the EU has the certification!

My broker in the BVI told me that several boats were sold to various Australians in recent months.
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My understanding is you can not buy or sell a boat in Europe without the certification, even a used boat.
From that I deduce that if you buy a boat in the US that is not certified and take it to europe your only way of selling it later will be to sell it somewhere outside of europe. Nice market controls on that piece of legislation.
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I'd like to know what jeanneau model was made in the US? benateau yes, Jeanneau from what I have read there was none. There were some O'Days made by jeanneau, rebadged as O'Days sold here when they were all owned by Bangor Punta........

In the end thos, buy the design that fits you sailing style. Stay away from the old shoes from the 60's and 70's too! post 80 models are pretty good generally speaking.

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Marty,
I think that you have that backwards, there were some Jeanneau 41's that were built by Oday. Oday eventually modified the model and began badging it as Oday.

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Your right Jeff to a degree, it was the Sun Fizz models that were made here by Oday as the oday 39 and 40. I knew there was equals, but thought they were made in France vs here.........had to look up info on both jeanneaus and odays owners sites to verify models etc.

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My understanding is you can not buy or sell a boat in Europe without the certification, even a used boat.
From that I deduce that if you buy a boat in the US that is not certified and take it to europe your only way of selling it later will be to sell it somewhere outside of europe. Nice market controls on that piece of legislation.
I believe there is an exception to this for "classic" boat over a given age. It would apply to more modern boats.
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I believe there is an exception to this for "classic" boat over a given age. It would apply to more modern boats.
The exception is if the design was done more than 50 years ago and the boat was built using the materials of the original design. A recently built wooden Herreshoff New York 30 (designed in 1905) could get in without CE approval, but a fiberglass version couldn't.

I imagine some enterprising naval architects could do the work necessary to get CE approval for some popular older production boats. Then buy them cheap in the U.S., get them CE stamped, then sell them for a big profit in the protected European market.

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You can certify an older boat if you want to...takes the same crap I went thru to certify mine....a new boat...which fell in the "prototype" category

Not funny, not easy...not cheap.....and don't even get me going....
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Thanks all. Plenty of ideas and advice to ponder.
I don't expect to 'save' a pile of money by buying in the US - the CE documentation plus the import tax will neutralise any exchange-rate advantage. It's really the vast array of designs that appeals, especially from the late '70's- late '80's. [Are these the museum queens you mean, Alex? I'd like to know what to avoid] That plus the chance to cruise your waters/visit friends on Barbados and then Do The Atlantic.
Thereafter we'd explore N. Europe during the summer months and return to the Med when it empties. Then the Canaries for warmth in the winter. So apart from one Atlantic crossing it will be coastal cruising.
I'm preparing some questions that might be better posted in a fresh thread, in Boat Design I suppose.
Appreciate your responses. Richard
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