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Wish to pay for 1/2 day sailing excursions

Attention any Los Angeles folks:

We wish to go regularly with you when you sail if you would like friendly company. Will pay $30 per hour for up to 4 hours, per day, (this is for the both of us inclusive- up to $120 per day for you). Please be experienced and friendly- with nice sail boat a must. We can go any day of the week, mornings preferred, and will drive to pretty much any LA location. Would love for this to become a regular thing. Look forward to hearing from you!
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Advice to LA boat owners considering this offer:

1. The rate back here is at least $95/hr

2. If you accept money for taking someone on your boat I am pretty certain you need to be a licensed Master Mariner.

3. Also be certain your insurance covers charters and you have enough liability insurance.

Not trying to rain on anyone''s parade, but have seen this kind of thing ''go south''. Just trying to help.
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You are correct; one must be a licensed captain, OUPV a minimum, to carry people for hire. Most yacht insurance policies warn you that your vessel may not be insured if you use it for charter and state this in the fine print of the contract. You would most likely not be insured in a mishap and the people that wanted you to take them on "a three hour tour" (sung to the Gilligan''s Island theme) could end up owning your boat and mobile home. Beside I would charge $250 for the morning and $400 for the whole day. The $30 wouldn’t cover beer!
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A guy got busted once because his buddies bought the gas... the whole thing got dropped but the point is any thing that can be constrewed as compensation is considered payement. They wrote the guy up on the charge because they thought he was smuggling drugs, the charge bought them time and cause to search, they found nothing and droped the ticket.

However any sort of compensation even someone kicking in gas can be interpreted to be charter payment.

Beachgoer go to regatta parties and crash big sailing club events make friends, someone will invite you along.
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Actually, you're wrong... any sort of compensation can be considered payment only if it is mandatory.

For instance, if you and your buddies are going out and they just decide to bring 12 gallons of gas along and a three six-packs of Coors, it isn't considered payment for charter, since they brought the gas and beer voluntarily. This is called friendship.

However, if you tell them, "If you guys don't bring the beer and gas, you can't go sailing." This is payment for services rendered, and you are now considered a charter captain, which requires a USCG captain's license.

The courts and the USCG have clearly stated recently that intent is necessary for it to be considered compensation. If your friends go out sailing, and at the end of the day, and a friend of yours decides to give you $300 bucks for the gas and diesel and food....that's not technically compensation, unless you've asked him for it.

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In order to convict anyone for a crime, the prosecution has to show the requisite degree of criminal intent. An intent to pay, and to accept, illegal compensation in exchange for a boat ride is clearly present in beachgoer's offer.

mjname makes a good point. In the situation he described, law enforcement had a weak basis for citing the person for accepting illegal compensation. But, they used that as a pretext to make a search for illegal drugs. If they had found any contraband (i.e., a concealed or unregistered weapon, drugs, etc.), they would have cited the boater for more serious offenses. mjname says the charge was eventually dropped, after no drugs were found. But, suppose one of the "paying" passengers brought along some drugs, and stashed them in a duffel bag on the boat. His friend could have been in jeopardy of having his boat confiscated.

Also, this offer was made in June, 2002, not long after 9/11, and after the US decided to go to war against terrorism. This could have been a scheme to gain access to your nice, unobtrusive, non-threatening sailboat, and use it against some target in LA harbor.

People need to think about these possibilities before they accept a cockamamie offer like this. These awful things probably won't happen, but if you gamble and lose, the consequences to you would be disastrous.
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In Houston there are not one but two sailing clubs that a person can join and sail for a half day for about 30 bucks a person. Surely there is a club like that in L.A. If not then start one.
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I doubt if the interested parties are still monitoring this thread after more than four years.
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True, but good information to recycle every now and then, even if by accident of not heeding the date of thread.
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beachgoer, just post that you always arrive on the dock with the beverages of choice and the best lunches, I am sure you will get some nibbles. If you like racing and you can hoist a sail quickly, you will get devoured. No greenbacks need to change hands.
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