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SOLAS 2010 Deadline Looms For Older Ships
Well it's a Maritime-related rather than specifically Sailing-related topic, but it thought this might be of interest to some. After 2010 life gets difficult for international voyagers. 
The simplified commentary: Trendwatch: 2010 SOLAS Deadline Looms For Older Ships
I couldn't understand what the fuss was about, but apparently somewhere in that lot is a requirement that no international vessel contain combustible materials in it's construction ie. no wooden boats or boats with polished wood or teak interiors in International waters after July 2010!! 
...but I can't find a specific reference to back this up anywhere. The detailed version is below:
Action Dates (Entry into force dates)
Some dates of interest on a cursory look:
1 July 2008: Amendments to the LSA code for liferafts. Had your liferaft done lately?
17 September 2008: No more antifouling containing organotin biocides.
1 July 2010: Amendments to the Fire Extinguishers and Life Jacket regs amongst a host of other things.
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It's ridiculous to apply this to all existing ships. For new construction, it makes plenty of sense.
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It's ridiculous to apply this to all existing ships. For new construction, it makes plenty of sense.
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Yeah, well that's what they're gonna do.
Some bureaucrat in the IMO seems to think that people get killed just as easily on an existing ship as they do on a new one.. 
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Yeah but, just wait for this to pass on to recreational boats...
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Yeah but, just wait for this to pass on to recreational boats...
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I could be wrong (Cam? Boasun? SD?)... but if you were outside of enclosed waters (ala SimonV), I thought it already did.
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IIRC, these rules apply to large ships, like cruise ships...not small sailing craft...
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I could be wrong (Cam? Boasun? SD?)... but if you were outside of enclosed waters (ala SimonV), I thought it already did.
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They only apply to charter vessels, and other used for commercial purposes vessels. In other words the vessel requires a actual licensed captain to operate. I do believe that is how that works - I could be wrong...
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IIRC, these rules apply to large ships, like cruise ships...not small sailing craft...
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SD, do you know what that's based on? LOA? Displacement??
It does seem odd to me that there'd be one rule for the big guys and another for us little guys - after all, it's the same ocean. 
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Cameron,
Commercial shipping, specifically passenger carrying. I read something about this awhile back and from memory 300 tons and up.
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The reason for the difference in rules is quite simple... how many feet is it from the interior of your boat to the exterior and how many stairwells/companionways and decks do you have to run up to get out of the boat if the boat were to catch fire. In the case of most small sailing craft, the distance is less than 30' and the number of decks is ONE. On a large cruise ship, the guys in the engine room may need to climb up seven or more decks to get to a place where they can exit the ship. If the interior of the ship is made of flammable materials, like pretty varnished teak, that is all burning...what do you think the chances of them making it out is??? About zero... if you're on your boat and the salon is on fire, chances are pretty good that you can still open a v-berth hatch and wriggle out... I ain't met one person that can wriggle out a distance of six stories of steel and fire... 
On land the same thing happens... why are the fire code rules for large apartment buildings very different from that of single-family homes—after all, it is the same city/town.
Large apartment buildings are generally required to have some sort of sprinkler or fire suppression system, as well as fire extinguishers and fire exits that are clearly marked as such. They're also supposed to have building wide smoke and fire alarms, that alert the entire building to an occurrence. A single family home might be required to have a smoke or fire detector, a carbon monoxide detector, but generally aren't required to have fire extinguishers, sprinkler systems and building wide smoke/fire detection systems installed.
The rules are different because the risks to the people aboard are different. You're not generally going to get injured jumping the 4-10' of freeboard that most small sailboats have to the water. If you have to jump off the deck of a cruise ship...which may be 20-40' above the water's surface with a couple of thousand people jumping in before, during and after your jump...things are a bit different.
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SD, do you know what that's based on? LOA? Displacement??
It does seem odd to me that there'd be one rule for the big guys and another for us little guys - after all, it's the same ocean. |
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