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Yup...and higher quality screen captures cause I'm on a Mac.

It doesn't really look like a boat that is in imminent danger of sinking... does it.
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Doesn't say... but I'd imagine being in a boat with a big metal weight on the bottom of it and a hole in it, isn't the best place to be.
So...just a beginner here. I should then have either the giant floatie thingies (I think they're called water wings) attached to my hull or an EPIRB? Just trying to put all the pieces of the puzzle together. Oh. and I need new foulies.



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I have a high-res monitor but couldn't figure out how to capture the screen image - actually shot it with a digital camera and uploaded to photobucket. Care to share how you did that?

EDIT - It is after all an Apple-based, Quicktime video. So, users of real PC systems are blocked from the use of some functions. Have never had a problem capturing WM Player shots.

But I agree - no apparent crisis there. They may have just panicked when the engine quit and they had (gasp!) 8 foot seas. I've sailed to Nantucket in 8-10 foot seas . . . a bit of a sleighride, but no threat of danger.
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Good one Leland . . . not that there's anything wrong with that.
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any wagers?

Any bet's it floats up on a beach somewhere pretty much unscathed?

Looks pretty high in the water for having 4' of water in it.

The old saying don't abandon ship until you have to step up to get in the life raft, not at play here.

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This is Beneteau which means the hull would be very shallow, hulls own draft is less than 1'. From the images it does look like she sits quite abit lower than usual (though not 4' by any measure, at 4' in Benny water would be up to everyones neck and the boat would be sitting exactly 4' under water).
However, it is worth noting that she is listing to one side, and water may be on that side, so the side towards the camera looks higher while the other one sunk more.

In any case, as with any salty rescue story, the seamonster is 3 times as big - there may be a foot of water or so in their boat. Since Bennies don't have a bilge, fairly small amount of water will flood the cabin, float the floorboards and likely kill the engine too. Without the engine, their batteries would not be able to run the bilge pump for long (and depending on how wiring goes - a short might prevent them from running at all).


I had a silly incident with my prev. Beneteau - on a first day of sailing, just as we left Annapolis water started flooding in at a very high rate. I had 1"-2" inches appear every minute or so - bailing with the pump or the bucket wasn't fast enough. My floorboards turned into rafts and it all looked very very scary - especially if you can't find the source and have to wade ankle deep in rising water with stuff floating around. Turned out - silly design (or, more likely, modification by PO - it could have never worked) - shower drain which is firmly under water level was connected to sink drain and sink drain seacock was open, so water entered from the shower. But the point is - even with 3/4" seacock open and flooding the boat through a hose - water levels rise very quickly, and in a boat without a bilge stuff will float right away.
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Probably just another Florida insurance job. I'm guessing that that boat would have been floating just about as she was until such time as it was certain the Coast Guard was able to extricate them from her.

I'm also thinking, were it me in that situation, I'd be on the VHF long before triggering the EPIRB. A cutter was only six miles away, probably actually in sight to the astute observer. I think the real flooding didn't start until the CG responded with an ETA. But hey? Those cheap French-built boats, they could have hit the backside of a Palm Beach gay manatee and holed her. You know how tough those are. Well, Hog does, anyway.
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Macs have a built in screen shot capability, so I just typed a CMD-Shift-4 and selected the video player... and voila... a PNG file of the image.

I never saw 8' seas like the ones in the video as a major threat, and my boat is a good deal smaller than the one in the video. The boat doesn't appear to be floating off it lines by much if at all, and certainly not to the degree I'd expect if it had 4' of water inside it. The boot stripe is clearly visible, if somewhat damaged in areas.


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I would agree that it "looks" like she is floating on her lines. We have a tendency to become "armchair" sailors lately. No matter what the story "says" happened, there are at least 10 theories about what really happened. All of this is fine analysis, and does make you think about what may be and what we may do, so at least that is positive.

The story looks as if the Coast Guard said that there was 4' of water in the cabin. They must be lying bastards! Couldn't be! The boat is fine! Should have sailed her to safety, no problem!

Please, let the first person that has had water up to their ass or chest, 200 miles off shore in 8-10' seas, say what "they" would do in this situation.
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