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Even if you are just in S.A. its usually some drinking, drugged idiot in a dingy with a pistol that surprises you in the night. [from what I've read] The book I read was depressing and about the only defense that seemed remotely successful was to anchor in areas where there are other cruisers. And that sounds pretty bleak. But if you base your life on the flame fanning media then you won't even feel safe at home. So IMOH. "Be cautious as serpants, innocent as doves"...who said that?


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Just to bring this thread back on topic, what is the best anchor and how much chain should I put on it?
Let's start with the chain. It should be long enough to reach the bottom from deck level...then add enough to reach your standing height and back to deck level. Then add a heavy anchor...no lightweight stuff...any heavy weight model will do, but I prefer a Rocna.... Then, while holding the anchor, wrap the chain around your neck and jump overboard for starting this topic up again!
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Oh for f##cks sake, here we bloody go again. To begin with the report was in the UK Daily Telegraph and they are not exactly the most credible outfit in the publishing world....Quite frankly , a load of sensational nonsense, pandering to the Telegraph's moronic readership.
Sensational nonsense? The statistics for the article come from the ICC International Maritime Bureau. So xxx


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Since I'm not planning to cruise in Indonesia anytime soon, should I worry about being a crime victim while cruising? I think so. It should be an individual choice whether to cruise armed or not, at least here in the U.S. I usually don't carry a firearm, but if I did, I'd use a stainless steel pump shotgun, like the Mossburg. Shotguns are intimidating, especially when you pump a round into the chamber. You have a better chance of connecting with your shot, when shooting from a bouncing boat deck. Knives, hatchets and winch handles make good close quarters weapons. It's all in the individual preference, but persons decision on whether to cruised armed or not should be respected by everyone on both sides of the issue. I know that the original post was tongue in cheek, but you never know when you might be attacked. And yes, I am a retired LEO so I do have experience in this area. One last thing, if you do go armed, be absolutely sure you can pull the trigger (or swing the winch handle) if you have to. If you can't your better off complying with the bad guy. Bluff's don't always work.
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Sensational nonsense? The statistics for the article come from the ICC International Maritime Bureau. So bugger off for f##cks sake.


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Now look, I really do apologise. Seriously, I do. You were merely trying to warn of impending rape and pillage and for that you deserve praise, not the misguided critiscism levelled at you by me.

I withdraw unreservedly. Stand corrected, head bowed in shame.

To all of you. Be aware. Be alarmed. Stay home, do not venture forth on the high seas. Blackbeard awaits.

Oh and by the way, if you don't get murdered in your bunks by pirates, you'll probably be run down in the night by a super tanker or be sunk by an errant container. Not to mention the perils of Kraken, the Bermuda triangle and shark eating crocodiles.

I repeat , stay home. Keep dem bwankets tightwy wapped awound your widdle heads, stay all warm and cosy.

Ah strewth, some mothers do have 'em.
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Nice one TDW. Chill out Gryfalcon! If ya can't take some good natured ribbing, you're on the wrong board. Anybody ever see what a 400 grain 12 Ga slug filled with IMR and a magnum primer will do to a car? I have and can only salivate, err, imagine the effect on a pirate or his vessel.
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Seeing that most countries frond on carrying firearms and one that I know even the very pistol.
Then I shall fall back on my Norse ancestry and go a Viking with shield and broad sword... "ODIN"
And seeing that a couple of my ancestors where known for piracy shall carry a cutlass and a dirk also. Arr! Avast ye Maties!!
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Now look, I really do apologise. Seriously, I do. You were merely trying to warn of impending rape and pillage and for that you deserve praise, not the misguided critiscism levelled at you by me.

I withdraw unreservedly. Stand corrected, head bowed in shame.

To all of you. Be aware. Be alarmed. Stay home, do not venture forth on the high seas. Blackbeard awaits.

Oh and by the way, if you don't get murdered in your bunks by pirates, you'll probably be run down in the night by a super tanker or be sunk by an errant container. Not to mention the perils of Kraken, the Bermuda triangle and shark eating crocodiles.

I repeat , stay home. Keep dem bwankets tightwy wapped awound your widdle heads, stay all warm and cosy.

Ah strewth, some mothers do have 'em.
But I wanta go..can I can I please..wa wa...
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True piracy...armed boarding a vessel underway or at anchor while crew is aboard for purposes of mayhem, robbery or ransom...is ALMOST unheard of in small boats.
The ICC stats quoted are for SHIPS not recreational vessels. There is lots of petty and dinghy theft on recreational vessels each year but very little armed robbery or violence. Less than a handful of such reports in any year I can remember and ALWAYS big news on the cruising nets when it happens.

There are places prudent sailors should avoid...and most do...just like there are places you wouldn't hop a plane to for vacation. No big deal and lots more smoke than fire on this subject.

Falcon...aside from asking you to watch your language in the future. I suggest you check out the SOURCE data of your report. Of the 49 vessels attacked by pirates exactly ONE was a private sailing yacht...off the coast of Venezuela in a place where even Venezuela says it is not safe to go.
Piracy attacks map click on the pin tacks for details.

http://www.onsa.org.ve/imagenes/pira...avenezuela.jpg
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