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Congrats on the boat. He is still a bad broker, most would not treat you like that. Next year when you move up to a larger boat find a different broker.
Tesh and some of us have a bad case of 2 footitus..
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Write a letter to the boat owner. Explain your side of the story, and tell him that because the broker is preventing this deal from moving forward, you will negotiate and pay HIM directly, not the broker.
Just to clarify, I realize that the broker would eventually get paid if you followed my advice above. However, you would have the satisfaction of removing him from your negotiation with the seller, and, he would have some 'splainin' to do when it comes time to collect his check.

Congratulations on moving forward with the deal!

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Go and involve another broker to close the deal. Both brokers will share the commission but only one of them will be happy about it.
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OK freaking rant mode back on -- I thought we had everything worked out but there was one slight issue with the survey which I thought we had covered in the condtions of the acceptance. The Marina (same name as the brokers) would not allow my surveyor to go up the mast. As a result, we were not able to deterimine if the anchor light worked, or was even installed as we could not see it from the ground in daylight. After I got home from the survey, I discussed this with the broker and he assured me that they had checked with binoculars in the evening and the anchor light was there. I said that was fine, but wanted it in the acceptance. When I got the acceptance it was written to indicate I was satisfied with the survey and sea trial and we'd agreed to a price reduction. Not quite -- neither I nor the surveyor I'd hired were able to determine the presence/condition of an anchor light - but the broker says its there. Problem is, someone has to be on the line for the anchor light -- so I added words to the acceptance saying the seller and the broker warranted the anchor light was there and working.

I'm not relying on the brokers word precisely becuase they say they will not be responsible. On some level I feel like I'm being an ass hat but, I'm pissed that the broker/boat yards rules put us in this postion. It would not be in quesiton if my surveyor had been allowed aloft. I hate being so stubborn but I spent nearly $400 fixing a $20 anchor light on my last boat.

To irritate me even more, the broker let this slide for 2 days while I thought every thing was on track.
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Generally much wiser to put it in WRITING... especially since the broker in question seems to have some memory and ethics issues.

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I'm not relying on the brokers word precisely becuase they say they will not be responsible. On some level I feel like I'm being an ass hat but, I'm pissed that the broker/boat yards rules put us in this postion. It would not be in quesiton if my surveyor had been allowed aloft. I hate being so stubborn but I spent nearly $400 fixing a $20 anchor light on my last boat.
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OK freaking rant mode back on -- I thought we had everything worked out but there was one slight issue with the survey which I thought we had covered in the condtions of the acceptance. The Marina (same name as the brokers) would not allow my surveyor to go up the mast. As a result, we were not able to deterimine if the anchor light worked, or was even installed as we could not see it from the ground in daylight. After I got home from the survey, I discussed this with the broker and he assured me that they had checked with binoculars in the evening and the anchor light was there. I said that was fine, but wanted it in the acceptance. When I got the acceptance it was written to indicate I was satisfied with the survey and sea trial and we'd agreed to a price reduction. Not quite -- neither I nor the surveyor I'd hired were able to determine the presence/condition of an anchor light - but the broker says its there. Problem is, someone has to be on the line for the anchor light -- so I added words to the acceptance saying the seller and the broker warranted the anchor light was there and working.

I'm not relying on the brokers word precisely becuase they say they will not be responsible. On some level I feel like I'm being an ass hat but, I'm pissed that the broker/boat yards rules put us in this postion. It would not be in quesiton if my surveyor had been allowed aloft. I hate being so stubborn but I spent nearly $400 fixing a $20 anchor light on my last boat.

To irritate me even more, the broker let this slide for 2 days while I thought every thing was on track.
I would agree with that position 100%.
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OK freaking rant mode back on -- I thought we had everything worked out but there was one slight issue with the survey which I thought we had covered in the condtions of the acceptance. The Marina (same name as the brokers) would not allow my surveyor to go up the mast. As a result, we were not able to deterimine if the anchor light worked, or was even installed as we could not see it from the ground in daylight. After I got home from the survey, I discussed this with the broker and he assured me that they had checked with binoculars in the evening and the anchor light was there. I said that was fine, but wanted it in the acceptance. When I got the acceptance it was written to indicate I was satisfied with the survey and sea trial and we'd agreed to a price reduction. Not quite -- neither I nor the surveyor I'd hired were able to determine the presence/condition of an anchor light - but the broker says its there. Problem is, someone has to be on the line for the anchor light -- so I added words to the acceptance saying the seller and the broker warranted the anchor light was there and working.

I'm not relying on the brokers word precisely becuase they say they will not be responsible. On some level I feel like I'm being an ass hat but, I'm pissed that the broker/boat yards rules put us in this postion. It would not be in quesiton if my surveyor had been allowed aloft. I hate being so stubborn but I spent nearly $400 fixing a $20 anchor light on my last boat.

To irritate me even more, the broker let this slide for 2 days while I thought every thing was on track.

I really feel for you.
For me, buying a boat is kinda like getting married.
I try not to do it very often.

I think that were I in your position, I would decide how much I want to pay for the boat, then make an offer. If they accept it great, if not, keep looking.
There are a lot of boats out there.
You don't have to put up with difficult brokers.

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dont feel guilty about being stubborn.its your money.make him work for his.
if i were in your shoes right now i would act like i had all the time in the world to make sure everything is right.
they want to close the deal fast and get paid but....you hold the cheque.
you should be enjoying this whole process.im sure your excited and cant wait to take ownership but youll regret it if you rush thru it.
just take it easy and let him come to you.
the boats not going anywhere-there wasnt even a heckle from the seller on your demands which shows he wants it gone.
good luck and congrats.
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Voodoo is absolutely right, I'd be pretty stubborn too. Maybe you can insist that he meet you for a switch flip'n party at the yard at dusk so you can see the "LIGHT". THAT should not be too difficult for him? If he refuses, he truly is not worth his own skin! And you are not going to change his M.O.

IMO, if this boat is what makes ya 'wet' and the price is right, I'd give the owner his money so I could start to enjoy my new boat. This guys ethics are not worth raising your blood pressure one point....and I'd want him out of my face and my life...for GOOD! I would however sing his praises throughout the land! Good luck,

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....and I'd want him out of my face and my life...for GOOD! I would however sing his praises throughout the land! Good luck,

Bob
I'm pretty sure he feels the same way about me.

As far as going up in the evening so I could confirm the issue myself, I'd be willing to do that, but it would be a PITA. The boat is about 2.5 hours drive from where I live.

I would just like to get the deal done and move on.
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