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If I'm paying for a charter I wouldn't expect to show up and not have things working. However, one thing is not the end of the world.... but what if a day into the trip the VHF craps out. Showing up to broken gear doesn't instill a lot of confidence, and it looks unprofessional (even if the charterer is a wuss).
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If you are a racer i can understand the desire, every advantage helps otherwise there really is no need. Learn to read the wind from the feel on your face and the sighs around you. The water is a great indicator and never lies. I have neather a wind speed or windex.
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I am the operations manager of a charter fleet and wanted conformation that the failure of the wind insturment was not a life and death struggle as the charterer stated. ( now if only my boss would see that) PS the boat has top of the line electronics and weather overly. (covet-covet)
I don't know a polite way to say this, but if someone thinks a failed wind instrument constitutes a "life and death" issue they very likely don't know what they are doing and probably shouldn't have been allowed to charter the boat in the first place.
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Oh, really

Have gone far and wide without one. If you are that faint of heart without something simple like that, you shouldn't be sailing. It's a nice thing to have, but definitely not necessary! What a butthead!
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Yes, a charter boat is a different issue.

If I am paying to rent a boat, car, hotel room, etc., I expect everything to work. I don't expect everything to be in pristine condition, but in good working order is expected. If I had no other options to fix a damaged piece of equipment, and the items that were not working were not critical to the safety of the crew or vessel, I would make it very clear to the charteree that the items were defective before they left the dock.

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Yes I agree with everyone

I feel that the wind instrument is not necessary for most purposes.(my opinion here) As you are all boat owners, you are well aware that things fall out of the sky at the moat inopportune times. As I am sure you will all agree the captain is ultimately responsible to accept or deny the vessel. This has been fun with all the spirited replies, thank you all. I forgot to mention that it failed 2 days after he left and the unit was only 4 days old.

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Have gone far and wide without one. If you are that faint of heart without something simple like that, you shouldn't be sailing. It's a nice thing to have, but definitely not necessary! What a butthead!
Nice first post... ...Welcome to Sailnet none the less..Good thing we dont have neg.reps anymore..or is it?
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I've voyaged far and wide on Paloma and have never missed it - matter of fact, if we had a wind guage in either of the two Force 10 storms that we've weathered, we would have really been worried. In the March '08 storm, for 36 hours, we thought the winds were 40-50 and gusting a bit over - no real big deal for Paloma, the bluewater warrior princess. When we got back into port and I talked to the Coast Guard, they said, oh no, the winds were 50-60, gusting well above 60 and when you couple that with the cold front that was carrying the winds was moving 35 mile per hour - the wind effect was even higher - I thought, I was sure glad we didn't know that at the time.
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Back to the specific conditions of the OP,
My windex died as a result of a collision with a heft wind blow chunk of tree on week three of my brand new Gemini. It points from 0 to 90 degrees, now where else - wind speed was not affected.

I still haven't fixed it because I hate going aloft.

It's important only in that I can't operate my St60+ in windvane mode, otherwise every time I've checked the boat still sails just the same.
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If you were going to leave to sail around the world in the trade winds, I would definitely recommend a wind speed indicator. The reason is that when sailing down wind, it is hard to judge how hard the wind is blowing. On our first circumnavigation in the early 70s, the only instrument we had was a wind speed indicator. We didn't even have a depth sounder; we used a lead line. However, that said, the wind-speed indicator was a useful tool in determining when to reef when going down wind. Other than on a broad reach or run, we would ALWAYS reef the FIRST time I thought about it. My motto was another day I have, another mast I don't have. As for the wind direction, pieces of yarn tied to the rigging will do fine.
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