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Knockdown & Sinking In Oriental

These guys keep their boat at our neighbors pier... looks like they had a bid of bad luck this past Sat. You can tell by the first photo how much it was blowin out there. Glad everyone is ok and hopefully the boat will make a full recovery.

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Sea nettles suck..and so do knockdowns. Glad to hear everyone's okay and the boat looks like it wasn't damaged too badly. Positive floatation is a good thing.

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That's pretty much what happened to me several years ago, except my boat sank in 38' of water:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/seaman...tml#post202044

It appears that the "positive flotation" didn't really keep this boat afloat either. She went down in less than 5' of water and thus was readily accessible. Needless to say, I've added LOTS more flotation to my boat.

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Good thing they were in shallow water and everyone is safe.
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Nice friendly sailing grounds where I am bringing the kids this weekend?
I know, it can happen anywhere. I supposedly have positive flotation and while I don't want to absolutely rely on this, I have been unable to find an N17 knockdown story. I found a story where a guy tried and failed, testing it in high winds on purpose. Sobering story.

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Catalina 22...

You can't keep a good boat down! (A jammed main sheet?) Hummmm

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I'd guess that they didn't have the centerboard clamp engaged. Once the boat passed 90 degrees, the keel rotated back and helped capsize the boat.

The mast would have dug into the ground, and the boat flooded through the open companionway.

Boat winds up resting on the bottom.

Catalina 22s are great boats that can handle adverse conditions, but sailing in heavy weather with the keel clamp disengaged, and the companionway boards out is asking for trouble.

Don't know if that's the case here, but I'll step on the semi-informed speculation bus!

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Nice friendly sailing grounds where I am bringing the kids this weekend?
I know, it can happen anywhere. I supposedly have positive flotation and while I don't want to absolutely rely on this, I have been unable to find an N17 knockdown story. I found a story where a guy tried and failed, testing it in high winds on purpose. Sobering story.

Hahaha! Well, i've been sailing out there as a kid several times and i will tell you that it CAN get rough. A lot of the time it's nice but occasionally there is a summer squal that blows through. If you don't feel comfortable sailing out in the Neuse River then you could always sail around in Greens Creek... large enough to have fun in but watch out for the crap pots!

I think these guys just had some bad luck... they are experienced sailors and i'm surprised to see this happen to them. I am curious about weather or not the keel clamp was ingaged.

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Hahaha! Well, i've been sailing out there as a kid several times and i will tell you that it CAN get rough. A lot of the time it's nice but occasionally there is a summer squal that blows through. If you don't feel comfortable sailing out in the Neuse River then you could always sail around in Greens Creek... large enough to have fun in but watch out for the crap pots!

I think these guys just had some bad luck... they are experienced sailors and i'm surprised to see this happen to them. I am curious about weather or not the keel clamp was ingaged.
This really sucked for them - I'm glad everyone's okay. 5 feet of water is about where a C22 swing keel would be bouncing off of the bottom anyway. I'm wondering more if the keel was up or down rather than if the friction bolt was engaged or not.

Regardless, I find mine to be tender. Safe sailing (on a gusty day) on a C22 includes:
  1. Three crib-boards in place and companionway hatch slid shut and latched (top of step is even with waterline if it's coming over the coamings).
  2. Forward hatch dogged down (not possible without aftermarket dogs).
  3. Lazerettes properly sealed and latched (3 sq foot opening into the cabin - don't want one popping open on a knockdown).
  4. Reefed or double-reefed main (biggest contributor to heel).
Anything else in a blow is asking for trouble.

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Do the hatchboards have something that prevents them from falling out if the boat inverts??

I drilled a 1/4" hole in the companionway dropboard rail, through the drop board, and into the outer rail and put a pin through the hole, dropboard and into the outer rail to "lock" my dropboards in place in bad weather.

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