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The original poster needs to be aware that he is starting to expose the many prejudices of the Sailnet crowd, which is divided into religious camps on issues ranging from what is a suitable blue water boat (whatever that is) to how to anchor to folding props to almost anything else which you can imagine having to do with sailing -- or anything else. Anyone who uses the term HunterBeneCatalina or any variation thereof is in the camp of those who don't like those boats for a variety of reasons, many of which are irrational. I happen to be in the other camp, but won't get into the wars here. I will say that bottom line every boat is a compromise, no one boat is suitable for all purposes, price and condition are huge factors, seaworthiness is as much a function of the competence of the captain and crew as anything else, and there is a tremendous amount to read and learn before you should hop out to the Gulf Stream in your new-to-you boat with yourself in charge. On the other hand, learning those things, and simply sailing, is one of the great pleasures in life.
Oh I completely understand... Im the kind of person that hears everyone out and remembers only what I think I can truly use. I have been looking into sailing for some time. But, just re-ignited the thought talking with some friends.

A few of us have pondered the notion of sailing. A few of us also pay about 2grand to fish in the gulf stream a dozen times per year. So we were entertaining the idea of enjoying sailing, and maybe getting a line wet. Not to be confused with a full on fishing trip like a normal boat.

But, to enjoy a little of each thing we love, the water, the time, and maybe a fish or two.

We can all be gone for 2 or 3 days at a time, not sure how deep we want to go right now though. Thats the financial view, ROI, Return on Investment. Where is the line drawn to what it is worth to us?

I am in total agreement I could hit the water on a sailboat and fall in love. But, for now, thats not the full picture.

I love being on the water, I love being offshore rolling through the blue water and thought maybe I could make this work. Especially with fuel prices on the rise. But, I was unaware you really couldnt safely take a 18'-25' sail boat 25-50 Miles off the east coast without spending that amount of money. I am 29 and dont mind getting a little pounded, but safety is a concern. I can train my mind, but I cannot so much train a boat to hold together. I also know storms can come up on the clearest days and to be prepared.

I can say I have really enjoyed what this thread has brought out. I understand that I may never fully understand what these waters are capable of... But, I do know I enjoy them and respect them.

I appreciate the time everyone has put into this thread...
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Well here's a list of 18-25 foot sailboats in your region for under 20k:

(Sail) Boats For Sale

Anybody got any comments about the offshore abilities of the boats in that list? (42 boats)


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The Cape Dory 25D is probably quite a capable little boat. However, I think the on in that list is a CD 25, which is a very capable little boat, but many prefer the 25D for offshore use since it has an internal diesel rather than an outboard as its aux. engine.

I didn't see any others that I'd recommend
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I think you should see if you could find someone to take you sailing on the Chesapeake. The gulf stream is not the only place there are fish and you can have the experience of being out of sight of land while in the bay, yet be in a secure anchorage by nightfall, and of course there are fish there.

I think you might just find the Chesapeake offers the kind of experience you're seeking and that sailing can quickly become a passion. You are fortunate to live very close to a sailors playground that offers endless possiblities to explore and enjoy time on the water with nearly any sailboat in decent shape.
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30 to 50 miles offshore to fish on a sailboat? That's a bit of an unusual requirement

You need a cross-over boat, one that bridges the gap between a sailboat and motor boat, something like the infamous MacGregor 26x Motor-Sailboat Great Value

I can't believe I'm actually recommending this ...

While I know many sailors poke fun at Catalinas, Hunters and Beneteaus, the market speaks for itself. All of these boats give you a lot of bang for the buck and are the top three in market share. We have a Catalina 27 in our marina that was sailed from Hawaii. I would not undertake such a voyage on a Cat 27, but the owner felt he could and did. Heck, I've sailed a laser twenty miles offshore. Just keep an open mind about boats and most importantly, make sure to hire a competent surveyor before you close any deal.
Here's another link to check out Virginia sailboats for sale by owner.
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To me, one of the key break points between boats, both in price and capability, is inboard vs. outboard, which generally comes around 26 feet. Although the boat is primarily a sailboat, serious sailing suggests to me that a reliable engine, usable in rough water, is an important safety element. I would not trust an outboard at sea in part because an outboard hanging off the transom will kick out of the water in substantial waves and is liable to be swamped in a following sea. My own experience is that outboards were a lot less reliable, but I will admit I am not an engine person. Unfortunately, both the cost of the engine and the size of the boat means that the inboard is usually a lot more expensive. Diesel is preferable because of the lack of explosion hazard and absence of spark plugs, but in your budget a reliable gas engine might be a satisfactory choice.
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This is a link to Bill Teplow's story about a voyage from California to Hawaii in an eighteen foot sailboat. Also, read some of Webb Chiles' accounts of voyaging in small craft.

This link isn't as much a reflection of the boat's capabilities - it is about the sailor's abilities, judgement, planning etc, etc.
We all ask about what a boat can handle - but should be as or more concerned about what the sailor can reasonably accomplish with the boat for which he is responsible.
Searching for the right boat is is a lot of fun. Never let go of your dreams.

Bill Teplow's Voyage to Hawaii in a Potter 19

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Actually, that boat is really unsuitable for this purpose, being neither fish or fowl as the case is. We're talking about possibly being out in the Gulf Stream when the wind and current kick up... those certainly aren't the conditions I'd want to be in a water-ballasted outboard powered boat that sails poorly. IMHO, a Pearson Triton would make far more sense, since, it is far more seaworthy.

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30 to 50 miles offshore to fish on a sailboat? That's a bit of an unusual requirement

You need a cross-over boat, one that bridges the gap between a sailboat and motor boat, something like the infamous MacGregor 26x Motor-Sailboat Great Value

I can't believe I'm actually recommending this ...

While I know many sailors poke fun at Catalinas, Hunters and Beneteaus, the market speaks for itself. All of these boats give you a lot of bang for the buck and are the top three in market share. We have a Catalina 27 in our marina that was sailed from Hawaii. I would not undertake such a voyage on a Cat 27, but the owner felt he could and did. Heck, I've sailed a laser twenty miles offshore. Just keep an open mind about boats and most importantly, make sure to hire a competent surveyor before you close any deal.
Here's another link to check out Virginia sailboats for sale by owner.
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