Mooring to a piling - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 11 Old 07-14-2008 Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Mooring to a piling

I'm new to sailing, so please forgive me if I'm not even using the correct terms, etc. I recently purchased a sailboat and it is going in the water this week. I recently found out that my 'mooring' at the marina will be a piling. The marina manager told me to 'just throw a rope over'. I'm concerned with a few things, the first being whether or not I will be smashed up against the piling, especially in tough weather. My second concern is if I do get a rope around the piling and tie it to the cleat on my bow, how do I retreive it when I come back in from sailing? Do I need to put a float on the end of it? Should I put TWO ropes around the piling in case one breaks? And I Have soo many more questions! Help!
Adcurium is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Tartan 27' owner
 
CalebD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,078
Thanks: 8
Thanked 134 Times in 126 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
A piling or pile is usually a large wooden pole (like a telephone pole) that is rammed into the bottom that comes above the surface of the water. This would not be considered a proper 'mooring' which consists of a large anchor (usually a mushroom type anchor) and chain that attaches to a float or ball that you tie the boat up to (with pennants - lines).
If you are expected to tie up to a piling (and you are not in a slip - eg., at a dock) your main concerns will be tides and currents (if any), chafing of lines (pennants) and your boat banging into it in light weather. In any kind of breeze your boat should trail behind the piling in the direction the wind is blowing unless currents dictate otherwise.
It might help to know what body of water you are on.

"The cure for anything is salt water~ sweat, tears, or the sea." ~Isak Denesen

Everybody has one:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
CalebD is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Senior Member
 
sailortjk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Porter, IN
Posts: 4,647
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 13
   
Adcurium,
I guess I am a bit confused. Are you in a slip made with pillings?
Are you saying that you have one single pilling out in the middle of a sea bed that you are supposed to attach to? I have never heard of that.

The marina where we are slipped uses pillings exclusevly. All of the docks are made from wooden pillings. There are no cleats anywhere. What we do, is attach our mooring lines to the pillings using round turns, clove hitch and half hitches (at the proper length). These lines stay attached to the pillings are are carefully left on the docks when we leave to go sailing. When we return from sailing, they are simply slipped over the deck cleats of the boat and made secure.

Courtney is My Hero

If a man is to be obsessed by something, I suppose a boat is as good as anything, perhaps a bit better than most - E.B. White
sailortjk1 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
 
post #4 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Senior Member
 
chucklesR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Pasadena Md - Magothy side
Posts: 5,979
Thanks: 10
Thanked 31 Times in 31 Posts
Rep Power: 12
     
If it is a single piling (telephone pole in the middle of nowhere) the first time the wind or tide reverses you will be pushed up against the piling - and that will cause damage unless the piling is suitably fendered to keep you off (and even then it's not good).
I can't think of any marina I've ever been at that would consider this a proper mooring.

If that is all you have you could consider dropping and setting a anchor off the bow and backing to the piling then loop a a stern line to the piling. Even that is just not a good practice; wind from 90 degrees (on your beam) could make your anchor become unset, and then you'd just blow all over.

I'd find somewhere else.
chucklesR is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Senior Member
 
ronspiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 114
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 16
 
If what you have is a single pile to attach to, like a mooring ball, it doesn't sound like a good situation for your boat. I would look for somewhere else to keep your boat. But until you can do that go out and look at what the other people with the same configuration are doing. Look at what type of bumpers they use and how they tie their boats off. If yours is the only boat that has to do this then find another marina immediately.
ronspiker is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 16
         
I don't consider a single piling a proper mooring, especially if you're paying money to be at it. Two pilings, with a space for the boat between is workable, but a single piling is generally not.

While you could set an anchor off the stern, that requires a lot of additional work on your part as well as puts a lot of extra wear and tear on your ground tackle.

IMHO, I'd recommend going elsewhere if at all possible.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,815
Thanks: 13
Thanked 37 Times in 37 Posts
Rep Power: 17
 
One place where I've seen piling moorings in use is Cuttyhunk inner harbor, I suspect they use pilings where the water is shallow and they don't want to allow for a lot of swing room. Anyway I spent any numnber of visits tied to a piling in my 23', run a dockline from a cleat thru the port chock around the piling thru the starboard chock and back to a cleat. Securing in this manner allows the boat to swing and to rise/fall with the tide. I guess if I was leaving the boat on a piling, I'd use two lines...For a small boat in a well protected setting, i'd live with a piling.


Somewhere I have a photo I took of a note pinned to a bulletin board by the Cuttyhunk dingy dock, it went "Piling for sale...".

Certified...in several regards...

Last edited by sailingfool; 07-14-2008 at 02:04 PM.
sailingfool is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 16
         
Umm... if you're going to be leaving a line looped around a piling... you will probably want to put parrel beads on the line, so the piling doesn't eat the line. Chafe is a serious problem.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Senior Member
 
sailortjk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Porter, IN
Posts: 4,647
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 13
   
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
Chafe is a serious problem.
I see a lot of problems with this.
Never heard of it. Never seen it done.
Doesn't mean it can't be done, in fact, for a light lunch or place to rest for a couple of hours, I could see it. But as a permanent mooring, I just don't think its a good idea.

Courtney is My Hero

If a man is to be obsessed by something, I suppose a boat is as good as anything, perhaps a bit better than most - E.B. White
sailortjk1 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 11 Old 07-14-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 16
         
??? What is a problem? Using a piling for a mooring?? or chafe??

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailortjk1 View Post
I see a lot of problems with this.
Never heard of it. Never seen it done.
Doesn't mean it can't be done, in fact, for a light lunch or place to rest for a couple of hours, I could see it. But as a permanent mooring, I just don't think its a good idea.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mooring systems GoodOldBoat Good Old Boat 5 08-25-2015 09:36 PM
Where's My Mooring? DrB General Discussion (sailing related) 1 05-26-2008 11:28 PM
Mediterranean Mooring John Kretschmer Seamanship Articles 0 12-22-2003 07:00 PM
The Mechanics of Mooring Mark Matthews Seamanship Articles 0 05-19-2002 08:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome