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IMHO, the only time it is proper to step aboard somebody else's boat w/o express permission is to save life or property. I would never even consider stepping aboard even a fellow club member's boat, even one of those upon which I've crewed, without permission or good cause. What in God's name is the matter with people, anyway? A boat is private property. For some people it's their primary or secondary residence.

To the OP: If your marina operator is blowing you off, I'd start looking for a new marina.

Boasun: Booby traps are probably a Bad Idea, non-lethal or otherwise. Some states have very strict laws against "set traps."

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Boasun: Booby traps are probably a Bad Idea, non-lethal or otherwise. Some states have very strict laws against "set traps."
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Then there is the fact that they have backfired on the people setting them. If you have read what I have wrote carefully, you would have caught the sarcasm that was written into it. "be very very careful."
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Some of my friends have given me explicit permission to board their boat for any reason. I've done the same with them.

Other than these people, I agree, the only reason to step aboard another boat is in an emergency.

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IMHO, the only time it is proper to step aboard somebody else's boat w/o express permission is to save life or property. I would never even consider stepping aboard even a fellow club member's boat, even one of those upon which I've crewed, without permission or good cause. What in God's name is the matter with people, anyway? A boat is private property. For some people it's their primary or secondary residence.

To the OP: If your marina operator is blowing you off, I'd start looking for a new marina.

Boasun: Booby traps are probably a Bad Idea, non-lethal or otherwise. Some states have very strict laws against "set traps."

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Boasun: Booby traps are probably a Bad Idea, non-lethal or otherwise. Some states have very strict laws against "set traps."

Jim[/quote]

Echoing that thought. In most states it is a crime to defend personal property with any kind of trap at all, particularly those with the potential to be lethal. End result is usually injured would-be burglar gets a free crack at a civil suit for personal injury while the trap setter is going to jail. (Um, oh yeah, that was not legal advice and was not intended as such, although the validity of the information stated is fairly firm).
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IN one state the owner had signs in all of the languages of his neighborhood posted that his shop was boobytrapped, thus the property was posted. The prep broke in and got blasted with one, wounding him badly. He sued and lost the case. He was warned (the posting) and he could read and what he was doing was illegal. This was the state of Florida.
So using that legal presidence in Fla. you could post warnings. Of course a non lethal trap such as a snare, to me, would be interesting.
There he is with his hand through the vent hole that you reach through to lock your hatch. Caught in that snare and hollering to be let loose.
Hmmm! wonder if he would chew his hand off in order to escape??
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Boasun - I've tried to find a reference to this case (so that I can ask our lawyer if it might apply to my state and situation) but can't find any references to this case. Do you have any more information on it or perhaps more keywords for me to try in Google?
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It was a pawn shop I believe that is in one of the rougher Miami neighborhoods. It was a mixed community so he had the signs in four languages. English, spanish, French and Mong.
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But then again some states are very strict on what crime deterent that you can use. And Boobytraps would definitely be highly illegal in those states or countries. But then in Europe I have seen broken bottles cemented to the top of fences. a cheap form of razor wire.

While in the Navy I sweeped for mines. That was my job. So I would only use non-lethal non-crippling traps. Mines and lethal boobytraps should never be used in any form or manner. Especially during war.
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My slip is on private property so I don't have a problem with trespassers other than those that also rent a slip there (only 4 of us). We all know each other and have phone numbers etc. The owner is close to 80, and I'm the only renter than can see the slips from his home so I consider myself the defacto caretaker.
As such I board any boat (one of them used to be mine) any time to take care of problems, and report to the property owner if one of the boats needs something more than I'll give (new dockline, sitting low) - especially in the winter time.

The motion detector fired flood lamps take care of sneaky folks.

I agree that permission should be asked and granted in order to board unless it is to save life or property - BUT

It really irks the crap out of me to be at a raft up and have everyone asking to board/cross every stinking time. Sometimes permission should be taken for granted - especially at a raft up.
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A raft up is where you may want to ask if you can enter the cabin areas down below. But cross decking for friendly conversations the reason why you rafted together in the first place. And the open decks will be where you are all gathering especially on the boat with the barbecue going.
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