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post #11 of 26 Old 09-07-2008
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All a lock is ..to keep an honest person honest !
If someone wants it badly ..they wiil get it !
You hit the nail on the head. Same goes for the locks on your house, car, or anything else. If someone REALLY wants in, they will get in.
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The sad part about bump keys is that they tend to work better on the more expensive, supposedly more secure locks. They don't work as well on the cheapies...since the tolerances are too loose for them to be really effective.

Just remember, locks, alarms and other such devices are deterrents and really don't have to be absolute in terms of security. If a pro wants in, he's gonna get in... For example... if your boat is locked, how hard do you think it would be to use a fire ax or sawzall to cut through the cabin top??? Yeah, not too tough. The locks and such are really just there to keep the honest people honest and to try and convince the less than honest ones to go bother someone else.

As they say... if you and your neighbor are confronted by a hungry tiger... you don't need to outrun the tiger... just out run your neighbor... once the tiger eats him... you're pretty much home free. If your boat has a lock and the one three slips down doesn't... which boat do you think they'll break into??

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My rub with the information highway making this kind of information available is the fact that not only am i now informed about it but so are thousands of newly educated watanabe thieves who just got inducted to an easy way to make a living.

Freedom of press really translates into free for the taking for this crowd.

To be fair I should be able to booby trap and Mame and deter the offender after all that information is free too.

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A great friend is a house contracter .
He told me a long time ago ..if he wanted to break in to a modern home .
A razer knife , framing hammer and a hack saw would by pass every thing.
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Or a brick or stone for that matter.
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The tricks only work because the good guys don't know that they're vulnerable to them; there's a noble tradition of publishing vulnerabilities in computer systems, and it's nice to see that the same spirit is alive in other secure arts as well. Now that you know, you can start working on a lock that isn't susceptible to these tricks.
I'm not so sure its exclusively a bad guys thing. Locks are fascinating and its fun to figure out how they work. Richard Feynman was a hobyest lock picker.
I've heard that in Germany they have clubs where people compete picking locks.
A bolt cutter does not require any skill and is cheap.
As someone mentioned locks are really just a statement that the owner would prefer to limit opening the door to selected people.
If someone does not respect that preference or circumstances warrant there are many ways of opening the door.
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I'm not so sure its exclusively a bad guys thing.
I totally agree. When I said, "The tricks only work because etc.," I meant that they are only useful for criminal purposes because etc.
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I have a son that went to MIT. He told me that part of freshman orientation there was a lock picking course. The justification was that they were going to learn how anyway, and now everyone knew that and could react appropriately.
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Most anti-theft systems are to deter the casual crook from stealing your stuff (i.e. to encourage the casual crook to steal some stuff that isn't yours).

We have combination locks (various types) that are used by our employees. When an employee forgets the combination, I "crack" them by feeling my way through the lock to the correct combination. I haven't met a lock that I couldn't beat. Does that mean we don't use them? Nope, because they are better than having no lock at all, as long as we know what their limitations are.

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Most anti-theft systems are to deter the casual crook from stealing your stuff (i.e. to encourage the casual crook to steal some stuff that isn't yours).
Kinda like the reason why you scuba dive with a knife AND a buddy. Especially When there's sharks around.
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