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pgiann, the likely reason they got tangled was that you didn't maintain tension on the sheets while furling. Anytime you're forced to furl in heavy air, always have a crew member maintain some tension. Not only will it keep the sheets from fouling, it will make for a tighter roll which will make it less likely for the jib to unroll in the heavy air. I'm a prime believer in OJT. It's how I got most of my "useful" experience. Lessons like that aren't quickly forgotten. That which doesn't kill you, serves to make you stronger.

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Giulietta, who is a member of this forum, has a drawing somewhere around here that illustrates a method of taming a rogue jib. If I remember correctly, it involves wrapping your main or spinnaker halyard around forestay of the wildly flogging jib several times, and then shackling it to the tack. Once this is done, you "raise" the halyard, thereby gathering the rogue jib around the forestay.

This is a poor description, but you get the idea. It would be best to try and find and study this remedy. Someone around here will know where it is. It's pretty dang ingenous.
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Yeah, I remember that Hog. It was a very cool technique I just don't remember the details either. I'm a hank-on guy right now.

I do remember that we were talking about it after the nasty story about that Swiss dude getting knocked OB after the furling drum cut loose from it's anchor-plate and started flailing around in a storm. What....20 pounds of steel swinging around all crazy in 40 knots and you're trying to bring it down on a pitching deck? Jeez - that's enough to make anyone swallow hard.
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If ya get in that situation, the best thing to do IMHO would be to blow the furling line and then the jib halyard. Then run offwind to lower the apparent wind. Hopefully, the jib would unfurl, slide down the foil and bunch up at the bottom. This would slow the oscillation down a bunch and after you sheet the mess as much as you could, you could possibly get a line on the rest and tie it all to the foredeck. It would increase windage but it would try to destroy the boat anymore.

Edit: Ya know, I was thinking about this some more and came to the conclusion that there'd be a safer way to do this. Say the furler breaks loose while the foresail is furled. Simply leave it furled and sheet in tight on both sides. This should pin it against either the cabin front or the hull and stop the flogging. You could then, assuming you fly a spinnaker, attach the downhual to the furler foil clip and adjust the three lines to center and pin the whole setup. I would still run offwind to do this to not only lower the apparent wind but to keep from stuffing the bow while the crew is working the foredeck. If the sail is out, you could still pin the foil with the sheets and then reset the drum/foil or pin it using the method above. The biggest risk would be getting knocked OB by the sail.

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In Defense of Sailingdog

I guess I'll be in the minority, but I have to agree with SD. There are certain preparations you should make on a boat. All of his suggestions made sense to me. Let's face it, we have all made mistakes - I could fill a book with mine. Nonetheless, I am always trying to be prepared as best as possible for whatever is thrown at me.

Smackdaddy, I would have thought you would agree with SD. After all, I have seen you ask a lot of very good questions about how to sail in heavy weather before actually encountering it.

Anyway, just my opinion. Let the debate go on.
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I agree with being prepared but everybody makes mistakes, especially when starting out.
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I agree with being prepared but everybody makes mistakes, especially when starting out.
And it doesn't help when you have someone who makes you feel like **** after making the mistake instead of just saying something nice.
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We all make mistakes

I agree that no one should make you feel bad for making a mistake. There are only three types of sailors: Those who have made mistakes, those who have never sailed, and liars. I must say, though, that I think SD was trying to provide some useful advice. I would rather have someone let me know what I did wrong than just sugar coat it. One of the reasons I really like this site is the good advice you can get on so many relevant topics.

Just by going out there and braving the elements, you have done far more than the average person. But it really is great when you learn from what you did wrong, so you don't make the same mistake twice. After all there are so many other great mistakes we can all make.

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The other to think about re PG's question, he was asking for what he could have done better. To bold type, write that you should not be out there yadda yadda......... sorry, that's incorrect. It would have been better to put that at the end of the quote, NOT in bold. And describe initially what he could have done better.

Jody, another contributor here, got blasted the same way on SA about a grounding two weeks. Meanwhile, my breaking a boom, another boat grounding, did not get the time of day for many reasons shapes or forms.

But to chastise a person for asking what they could have done different, better etc. thats WRONG! to a few of us, that is what SD is doing here!

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You'll also note that the subsequent posts contained useful information with regards to avoiding that problem in the future or ways to address it safely if it occurs again.
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