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I agree. Who hauled up the main? Churchlady?
Verrry funny you chucklehead!

Siiiiiigggggghhhhhh. Okay - did I post the pic saying "Hey everyone, look how nice my main is?". No. I posted it for the freakin' number. Did I perhaps not notice the pesky wrinkles myself?

Just ask Charlie - if you look at my boat for more than 5 minutes, you'll notice a crapload of stuff that's whacked. Old main, missing sail cars, old sheets, and stuff I don't even know the names of that need to be fixed. I'm workin' on it.

The halyard WAS cranked down. That's the scary part! It's an old baggy main with some missing cars. But is that going to keep me off the water until I have the time to fix it - just so you guys will compliment me on my pretty sail? I don't think so.

At least Jody actually gave me some good advice via PM. I asked him to post it here to show you boneheads how it should be done.

So scoff on you lousy bastages! And cower in the shadow of my trashy sailing prowess!
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That's probably the problem, churchlady wasn't available and SmackDaddy did it himself.
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If you're going to go sailing in BFS conditions, you really need to flatten the main a bit better—especially, if you're missing cars on it.

I am in awe of your trashiness...
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Verrry funny you chucklehead!

Siiiiiigggggghhhhhh. Okay - did I post the pic saying "Hey everyone, look how nice my main is?". No. I posted it for the freakin' number. Did I perhaps not notice the pesky wrinkles myself?

Just ask Charlie - if you look at my boat for more than 5 minutes, you'll notice a crapload of stuff that's whacked. Old main, missing sail cars, old sheets, and stuff I don't even know the names of that need to be fixed. I'm workin' on it.

The halyard WAS cranked down. That's the scary part! It's an old baggy main with some missing cars. But is that going to keep me off the water until I have the time to fix it - just so you guys will compliment me on my pretty sail? I don't think so.

At least Jody actually gave me some good advice via PM. I asked him to post it here to show you boneheads how it should be done.

So scoff on you lousy bastages! And cower in the shadow of my trashy sailing prowess!

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I am in awe of your trashiness...
That's more like it pal.

BTW - how about throwin' down one of your own BFSs, Dog? Whatcha got?
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Dog brings up a valid point. What I saw in the picture is two things. The crinkles are right where your battens are - a sign that they may be a tad too tight. If when sailing and full halyard tensioned (5+ knots of wind or so) if you still see those crinkles on the main at the luff where the battens are.... loosen the battens a hair. another way to determine is take a look at the batten pockets on the leech. Are they showing strain, deterioration, popping threads etc...

From where the batten attaches to the car / slide - the batten assembly to where the batten slides through the sail - you should be able to slide a finger through it with just minimal resistance.

Also not that another adjustment to make is with the cunningham. This should always be adjusted when you reef or shake out a reef and especially on tired old mains. It'll straighten out the leech a tad. Remember that the load points in heavier winds is the upper 1/3 of the main. That is where you want to spill the main (and done so by the twist of the sail).

Just my observations on the pic you posted...

Additionally, consider just taking the sail to your local sail loft and have it - "recut". If money is tight and you can't afford new sails then this is a very cheap alternative to even a used sail purchase. I am willing to bet that if you fix the binding issues with the cars - you'll get much more enjoyment out of sailing and see better - the cause and effects of things you do for sail trim (even on that little lake of yours!).


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Smack, you just need some sailagra. That ought to take the wrinkles out of your sail. Of course, if they stay out for longer than 4 hours, you'll need to call your doctor.

When are you coming east for some salt water BFS? I think you should do the world tour. Kind of like Endless Summer with a BFS theme. (Now there's an idea!) Come before the end of June and you can stay on board. Come for Memorial day and help move our Bene about 100 miles to our summer fun spot.

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Yeah Smack, Dog is right. That main is REAL ugly... I don't remember if you have a Cunningham adjustment on your boat but if ya do, it will help. Re-cutting the main ain't a bad idea either. The last thing ya want is a baggy main in heavy stuff. Is that the admiral at the helm? I didn't get to meet her.
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Smack, you know that Sailing Dog is right – you need way more halyard tension. In the photo, it is probably a little ‘soft’ for a light air day (0 – 5 kts). On heavy air days (20+ kts) you want to see vertical wrinkles. Medium days ease it so slightly softer than vertical wrinkles (the sail slugs pointed “upwards”). And slugs pointed “downwards” for when winds are less than ten. A soft halyard will bag out the main and you will heel rather than converting gusts into speed. Yes, that sail looks a little long in the tooth, but on the luff end, your problem is probably an equally aged halyard that is all stretched out. If you’re keeping the boat, I’d replace the halyards. You can help yourself a little by putting on full Cunningham which will pull the wrinkles out of the lower portion of the sail. Mains go bad from the leech forward. At full hoist (and proper halyard tension) is your boom horizontal? If it is below horizontal, you are stretched, and by the look of the style of the class emblem, this must be an original sail. Not worth re-cutting. But the good news is there are some good deals out there on sails. Take advantage of them, my friend.

P.S. You don't have "cars" on your main. Those are slugs and they cost about two bucks apiece at West. Buy a bunch and a large needle, waxed whipping twine, and some spectra webbing. Time to practice your marlinspike skills. Out here where the wind blows, I expect to break a couple each season. I even have some "pre stitched so I can make the repair faster. You need full length battens before you can buy batten cars.

Now, if one of you fine gents can tell me how I can get a close-up view of a chart of Pt. Bonita in JPEG format, I will tell you of a little jaunt I took on Saturday called "Double Handed Farallones Race". This one is a little complicated and I need to make a diagram. You don't always need a lot of wind to have a BFS. Sometimes all it takes is a light breeze, wicked current, about 30 boats, rocks, and a lee shore.

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You mean a screen cap like this from the NOAA demo site??



Piece of cake on a Mac, which has screen capture built into the OS... On a Windows-based system, it's a bit more work.

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Hey SmackDaddy—

It kind of looks like you're out-voted... ArtbyJody, GeorgeB, CharlieCobra, and Bene505 seem to be agreeing with me. Have Churchlady snug up the halyard for ya when you're out in BFS conditions next, would ya...

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