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Well, all I can say is that wasn't a BFS - that was an SAR. There's a big difference in my opinion.

I think many people still miss what BFS is all about. It's about the adventurous side of sailing. It's about the excitement of it. It's about pushing your individual limits and getting better and better. All of that is REALLY fun.

Furthermore, it's seriously tongue in cheek. Some people think that stories like these are "bragging". Well, for some, that might be so. But for most, it's excitedly telling your story of how you accomplished something great, whether it's a first time heel under full sail, or a successful ride-out of a bigger storm than you've ever faced before. Both of those stories are filled with adventure, excitement...and, most importantly, education.

Yes, some get too caught up in the adventure/excitement side of sailing and end up needing to use the EPIRB because they didn't pay enough attention to the educational side of sailing. Just as on the other end of the spectrum, some get too caught up in the educational side of sailing to the point that they refuse to ever leave the dock because they're too afraid to screw up. It's a debate that has gone on for a very long time.

But at the end of the day, BFS is meant to be nothing more than fun. It's the fun that pulled every single one of us to this sport in the first place. And we're all here trying to learn more about how to do it well.
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Well, all I can say is that wasn't a BFS - that was an SAR. There's a big difference in my opinion.

I think many people still miss what BFS is all about. It's about the adventurous side of sailing. It's about the excitement of it. It's about pushing your individual limits and getting better and better. All of that is REALLY fun.

Furthermore, it's seriously tongue in cheek. Some people think that stories like these are "bragging". Well, for some, that might be so. But for most, it's excitedly telling your story of how you accomplished something great, whether it's a first time heel under full sail, or a successful ride-out of a bigger storm than you've ever faced before. Both of those stories are filled with adventure, excitement...and, most importantly, education.

Yes, some get too caught up in the adventure/excitement side of sailing and end up needing to use the EPIRB because they didn't pay enough attention to the educational side of sailing. Just as on the other end of the spectrum, some get too caught up in the educational side of sailing to the point that they refuse to ever leave the dock because they're too afraid to screw up. It's a debate that has gone on for a very long time.

But at the end of the day, BFS is meant to be nothing more than fun. It's the fun that pulled every single one of us to this sport in the first place. And we're all here trying to learn more about how to do it well.
OK, Smacker, with your philosophy in mind... My better half has decided to visit Lord Howe for a few weeks in 2 months time. I have a huge list of boat jobs needed before I feel ready to take that trip. It is one of my demons I have to get over so I am probably dragging my heels a bit. So will that trip constitute a BFS or do we need an added scare factor?
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Dude, you're the only scare factor she'll need. Heh-heh.
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Ok for all the non Aussie's here This Lord Howe island BFS is serious.
We are talking a fairly remote island, 3-4 days sail at minimum from mainland Australia across a fairly treacherous bit of water known as the Tasman sea.

The british navy when last in this region hit infamous Wolfe rock. So named after the 'HMS Wolfe' the previous birtish navy ship to hit it.....
Oh the lagoon is barely tenable in rough weather.....but this is really one real pretty island for St Anna when he gets there
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OK, Smacker, with your philosophy in mind... My better half has decided to visit Lord Howe for a few weeks in 2 months time. I have a huge list of boat jobs needed before I feel ready to take that trip. It is one of my demons I have to get over so I am probably dragging my heels a bit. So will that trip constitute a BFS or do we need an added scare factor?
I understand St's been sailing his entire life. And judging by the bolded statement above, he's taking it seriously and prepping. I don't think they're demons St., I think you're being smart and cautious.

So, it seems to me you're doing it exactly right.

As Chall said, it's a beautiful destination across some potentially dangerous waters. That's sailing.
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"So, it seems to me you're doing it exactly right."

oh yea, thats a resounding approval from the resident expert, the guy thats been all over a 19,000 acre lake on a 27 ft boat for less than 3 years.

YOU have no frickin' clue if they are doing it exactly right or not.
Thats exactly what I mean. You shoot off your mouth, and have NO frame of reference.
shut up before you get somebody killed.

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I'm not speaking as an expert...never have. In fact, I've always been very upfront about my lack of experience.

Like I said, preparation is a good thing. Seems that's a universal truth when it comes to sailing. What do you see in St's post that, from an expert's POV, tells you he is or is not doing it right?
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OK, Smacker, with your philosophy in mind... My better half has decided to visit Lord Howe for a few weeks in 2 months time. I have a huge list of boat jobs needed before I feel ready to take that trip. It is one of my demons I have to get over so I am probably dragging my heels a bit. So will that trip constitute a BFS or do we need an added scare factor?
Let me get this straight- you are looking/hoping for a "scare factor" while offshore so that you can "qualify" for a BFS? I know this was said somewhat tongue in cheek, but I have to question your priorities. I'm not an expert, and I don't have much offshore time logged, but I try to do everything I can to avoid "scare factors", they come along regularly enough as it is. Just my two cents.
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CP, you clearly have a serious dislike for Smacky, but since this is an internet forum he(like anyone else) gets to say his piece. And it's unlikely that anyone who spends much time reading here will mistake him for an experienced sailing authority, thus it seems equally unlikely that his advice will kill ANYBODY. He has also regularly(like he said) claimed not to be an authority. If you just can't stand it, you should probably follow through on your promise to put him back on 'ignore'.
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I think he's looking for a bit of adrenaline rush, not so much a scare factor. More of the rail hard in the water thing while sailing in a Gale in protected waters. I've sailed in stuff up to Force 11 but in the Sound without the chance of wind waves on top of giant swells that 4,000 miles of fetch will bring ya. If offshore, I wouldn't be willing to go sailing in those conditions. What you might find acceptable changes when out of sight of land and out of range of rescue. You would NOT catch me sailing in Force 9+ conditions offshore on purpose. I enjoy spirited sailing but I don't have a death wish. If I get caught out in it, that's the chances ya take and if I get caught out, I can fall back on what I learned while doing that BFS sailing in the Sound.
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