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Smackdaddy,
I read the last of this thread and am thinkin:

You sure seem to know some snit for a "new guy"
I get the BSF thing (BFS? Whatever). BSF Global Regatta? Joke? Game?

Here's one:
Once upon a time...
There was a guy that thought he was a pretty good sailor. He learned to sail, race, and maintain boats as a kid. Midlife, He got a 40' mono and started single handing, updating, and tinkering with the great new toy. He knew enough to start slow and take it from there (?). Well, a couple months into it, sailing on a reach @ 8 kts, 25 kts wind, 3-4' seas, the boat beautifully balanced, etc. Smilin big time. All seemed awesome. A glance below brought shock. Floor boards floating and water 2" above the cabin deck. Panic was the first reaction. Alone, biggest stuff seen with this boat, taking on water. The AP can't handle these conditions. Windvane is not a quick option. Bilge pump ain't going. So, second thought is NO PANIC - Figure this out, act, think, don't make things worse, avoid a "chain of errors", act logically. These ideas seem to work in most "emergency" situations.
So... 1. Get the boat to balance, heave to, anything in order to go below and fix snit. Didn't take long because he'd already figured that out. Lash the wheel, ballance the sails.

2. Find the leak and get the bilge pump going. (It was realized early on that the main electric bilge pump had been turned off while renewing wires).
The pump came on fine but it was obvious it was not enough.
3. Find the source. No need to lift floor boards, already floating. The low parts of the bilge are now 2-3' under water. There's a huge number of lockers, berths, compartments that could be the source! He had to think, not panic, while sailing alone on a boat he was just learning.
So - seacocks? OK. Keel bolts? OK. Check position, heading, traffic. OK.
Meanwhile, sailing toward a possible anchorage. Land is all around (3-5nm). Good places to anchor - not many.
Actually, in this case, the source was located and temporarily plugged fairly quickly.
The source was the anchor locker drain. It was a 1" hose leading from the anchor locker ( 1' under the foredeck) to a through hull mounted on the stem (~2.5' ABOVE the static waterline). This hose was clogged a few days earlier and had been worked on. It was connected to the through hull fine. The end that connects to the locker (3-4' above waterline) was not secured because the drain fitting would be replaced.
At 8 kts, big bow wave, bow digging into large chop, this hose was dumping into the anchor locker at about the rate of two garden hoses.
Quickly plugged with the DC supplies on hand.
There's more, but ya'll get the idea?
That guy learned a lot that day.

Oh ya - not knowing much about the guy trying to "sail" a covered skiff transatlantic with a kite?... Well, didn't work out and he's lucky the SAR guys saved his arse.
Max
I loved that story. The best lessons always seem to come right when we think we have everything handled.

"Man, I am awesome at this.....what's that water?"

Thanks for sharing.

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Hey Max - thanks for the BFS story. First, let me address some of your comments:

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You sure seem to know some snit for a "new guy"
I've been sailing for 2 years now - all on a lake except for my sail on the Hudson with Bubb.

So, I definitely don't know much - but I'm very, very passionate about sailing and am learning absolutely everything I can. And SN and the salts around here go a LONG way in helping that process.

The bottom line is that it's really not as hard or scary as many make it out to be. When I first started I was very, very intimidated by it all...the terminology, the complexity of the sails, ROW rules, and on and on. And yeah, that stuff is pretty complex - but jeez, you can get out and learn to sail a 27' boat from point A to point B in a few hours! And you'll have the most fun you've ever had in you're life! That last part is what I DID "know". And I was right.

Sure, you'll still have a lifetime of learning in front of you - but the point is you'll be doing it! And that's what counts the most.

Then, from there, you'll be pushing your own limits a bit more with each season. Sometimes you'll do it intentionally, sometimes you'll just get caught (like your story). But during it all, you'll not only learn stuff you didn't know before, but you'll have BFS stories that you'll excitedly tell to everyone you absolutely can (again, like your story). That's BFS in a nutshell.

Look, if I can learn a few things about sailing - ANYONE can learn it. It ain't rocket science. It's just awesome.

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BSF Global Regatta? Joke? Game?
No, the BFSGR is absolutely the real deal. The way I figure it, if we can all race each other without the stresses, costs, and hassles of actually having to be in a formal club/regatta, we'll all have a blast. From newbies to vet racers - we just go out on our body of water, when we want, on whatever boat we have, and we run around a course and compare our best time to others'. What's not to like?

So get me the coords for a course in your area and let's race!

Now, as for your story, that's a BFS. It wasn't mother nature throwing down on the dude, it was just a technical oversight. But, the dude didn't panic, he handled the problem, and as long as he still loved sailing and went out again with that new knowledge - it was just a BFS and not a disaster.

I will say this though regarding single-handing (which will undoubtedly assure me tons of grief): If anyone around here wants to talk "prudent sailing" and then turn around and defend singlehanding as in any way "sensible" - they're nuts. Sailing singlehanded is undoubtedly the most dangerous way to sail that there is.


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Exactly - smackdaddy

SD,
like I said - you seem to know your snit. Thanks for adding the excellent comments.

Two main points I think you helped to relate:

1. All that pursue sailing can sail. Basic sailing is available to anyone that is willing to learn. It ain't that hard. There are lots that want to help "newbies" get going.

2. Singlehanding a bigger keel boat is not something to be taken lightly. I guess this idea is similar to scuba diving alone, mountain climbing alone, backcountry skiing alone, etc. All of these are not a good idea - except that folks that are very advanced find solo stuff to be the next challenge. Training for diving, skiing, and climbing start by explaining the risks involved with going solo. In fact, it's accepted, solo is nuts - except maybe for the very advanced.
Not so for sailing?

So, thanks SD. I appreciate your comments and input. You write pretty well (and a lot).

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SD,
like I said - you seem to know your snit. Thanks for adding the excellent comments.

Two main points I think you helped to relate:

1. All that pursue sailing can sail. Basic sailing is available to anyone that is willing to learn. It ain't that hard. There are lots that want to help "newbies" get going.

2. Singlehanding a bigger keel boat is not something to be taken lightly. I guess this idea is similar to scuba diving alone, mountain climbing alone, backcountry skiing alone, etc. All of these are not a good idea - except that folks that are very advanced find solo stuff to be the next challenge. Training for diving, skiing, and climbing start by explaining the risks involved with going solo. In fact, it's accepted, solo is nuts - except maybe for the very advanced.
Not so for sailing?

So, thanks SD. I appreciate your comments and input. You write pretty well (and a lot).

Max
+1.

MAX: You nailed it on the singlehanding as compared to rock climbing, scuba diving, etc. And that's what is so fascinating about the argument. I've been a pretty avid participant in all the sports you mention. Let's take rock climbing for example. I was sport climbing at the 5.13 level up until our second kid (5 years ago). So I was fairly advanced. Would I defend going out and doing a 5.11 multi-pitch trad climb on self belay only? No way. That's crazy. What about a free solo speed climb on 5.9/10 (i.e. - no rope):



Again, no way. The bottom line is - there's high risk and no back up. Yet there are people out there doing both.

So, do singlehanding sailors equate what they're doing to the above video? And if not, why not?

KNOT: That is one BIG FREAKIN' STICK! Very nice! What's it off of?


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Perfect choice of videos to prove your point. Dan Osman is dead. Not kind when you have a little kid to leave behind like he did.

That said, that lover's leap video is something he left behind for all of us to admire and watch in awe....

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No kiddin' Med. And the sickest part of it was that he didn't die free-soloing. He died when HIS ROPE BROKE!!!!

Of course, he was doing insanely huge intentional whippers - but still.


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No kiddin' Med. And the sickest part of it was that he didn't die free-soloing. He died when HIS ROPE BROKE!!!!

Of course, he was doing insanely huge intentional whippers - but still.
Smack, I sure you meant that his line broke. It's an f'in sailing board for love of Jesus.


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Smack, I sure you meant that his line broke. It's an f'in sailing board for love of Jesus.
Heh-heh. My bad....

He died when his line/halyard/sheet/painter/warp/rode...parted.

What did I f'in forget Bubb?


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